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Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 21 Jul 2005, 22:22

Well I├óÔé¼Ôäóm pretty sure that there is less inherent racism left in the world, and it is much less obvious. When compared to the Dark Age├óÔé¼Ôäós, middle age's... most of the 18th century... the 16th-17th century and so on, we are much nicer!

Then again i have always been an optimist, because I think that if life is never going to get any better, why bother living. As of yet no pessimists or cynics i have ever asked that question have given a satisfactory answer, and instead just mumbled something incoherent and changed the subject.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 21 Jul 2005, 22:46

lol nice bit of ownage there zoombie but i agree that there is (STILL!!!! ├é┬¼.├é┬¼) a INTOLERABLE amount of racism (btw i am white and kinda protestant so i have no 1st hand experiance) but until there is no longer need for the word racism in the dictionary there is too much racism. racism sucks

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 21 Jul 2005, 23:07

I agree here here ect...

btw how can you be kinda protestant?

aGorm

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 21 Jul 2005, 23:18

kinda as in something i'll be later in life, im pretty certain theres a god out there somewhere but getting pissed is too much too pay for eternal happiness, ill confess later and be saved eternally as well as having good memories :) anyways if i die before then i'll say that i planned to convert, just never had time. who can argue with that? and if god knows all he'll know that i was going too! :) plan eh? :D besides

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 21 Jul 2005, 23:23

hahahahhahahah no thats an outlook i find funny.

Strangly being a christian and getting pissed and staying out till 4 and then dossing at a friends befor leving for work the next day still seems to work for me.

aGorm

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 21 Jul 2005, 23:37

lol cunt

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 21 Jul 2005, 23:46

For cristhians out there... heres a qwestion...

Where in the bible those it say that being ''gay'' or ''homosexual'' is wrong?

They only tell you the right way, right?

And just becuase gay isent the ''right'' way, dosent mean that it's the wrong way, no?

For the record im a sientifick person and thinks that there is no god since god was ''invented'' to explain things you cant explain and maybe some other politicole reson...
Thats why the holy book explains death, how the earth was made, what stars and the moon are and so on...

getting offtopic?

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 22 Jul 2005, 00:10

Well this IS the off topic forum!

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 22 Jul 2005, 00:50

Isn't it ironic that some people I know want to go around and shoot up gays, but think that lesbians are the greatest thing on earth.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 22 Jul 2005, 06:29

Yes... quite ironic

AF · Post by AF » 22 Jul 2005, 11:00

People take religion literally these days, they dotn realise that what the bible or the koran says was never meant to eb literally true, just a metaphor for the truth. Even the very concept of god can be redefined to soemthign most bishops would term as heresy while still fitting witht he teachings of the bible, and actually being more logical and realistic to believe, the sort of belief that doesnt really need faith because you just know it.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 22 Jul 2005, 21:42

hmmm... also ironic!

munch · Post by **munch** » 22 Jul 2005, 22:54

Alantai Firestar wrote:People take religion literally these days, they dotn realise that what the bible or the koran says was never meant to eb literally true

LOL what makes you think that? Have you asked God what he meant? Seriously, the best way to read the bible is to ask God what he wants to say to you before you start. Ask him to speak to you each time you read it. Really.

It's much better coming from the author =)

Munch

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 23 Jul 2005, 00:55

I would, but people think I'm crazy enough as it is.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 23 Jul 2005, 02:00

As far as anyone can tell, Zach is slated to be released tomorrow. Or perhaps Sunday.

Anyways, the world waits with bated breath to see what he will say when he gets out.

AF · Post by AF » 23 Jul 2005, 12:55

LOL what makes you think that? Have you asked God what he meant? Seriously, the best way to read the bible is to ask God what he wants to say to you before you start. Ask him to speak to you each time you read it. Really.

It's much better coming from the author =)

God did write the bible, the hebrews did, man did, thus it is biased towards there perspective of things. Also, all religions in the mediterranean where absed ont he idea of the mysteries, you would ahve the outer mysteries, such as parables and stories, not so dissimilar to what the bible is like, then you would be initiated into the inner mysteries where you would be told the meaning behidn the story, the truth, the knowledge that it held. A good example fo thsi int he bible is that of the samaritan. It's unlikely to have happened exactly as it said rather as an example, and we all know it ahs an udnerlying meaning, a purpose.

Christianity after Jesus' death was like this, inner and outer. Although certain saints where more inclined towards the roman version of chritianity, aka catholicism. Thus catholocism endorsed byt he roman empire labelled all else as hereticala nd eliminated them. Churches such as the gnostics, they where the ones who banned a number of books form the bible and gave us the new testament.

Also note several very suspiscious times when the king of judea suddenly found a new book fo the old testament that was lost, that just seemed to give him the tools he needed to dow hat he wanted, for example strengthen the populous for war against assyria......

Wether the bible is the word of god or not, it is not literal as it has been written by men, and then translated by men and reritten for a new era (eg latin to old english to modern english)

However I see what your saying munch. You have faith, thats all you need sometimes.

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 23 Jul 2005, 13:19

No one makes business deals on faith. No one wins wars on faith. Faith is what you have when there is no proof, it is baseless, and hence worthless.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 23 Jul 2005, 14:26

No one makes business deals on faith. No one wins wars on faith. Faith is what you have when there is no proof, it is baseless, and hence worthless.

(IMO)
Offcourse, faith is useless, since is isent there. Faith alone, that is.

I think belving helps a great deal of pepole to. Even if the helping hand isent there, i think it makes you feel safe... And serching the answears in the bible removes the need to worry so much. When one of your relatives die, you know they are in a bette place...

Ofcourse there is a bad side to it to. Some pepole who belive waste their lifes in a moanstry, not doing much fun and never being totaly free. When they lay on their death bed they may suddenly realise that the hand who was suposed to help them never was there...
And offcourse the radical ones that misintupentate the words of ''god'' and go all crazy.

But i think faith can be really helpfull... Even if it's ''god'' isent there there.

(IMO)

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 27 Jul 2005, 06:51

I don't think that telling a person to commit suicide is the right thing to do. These people give chritianity and religion as a whole a bad name.

Another thing that gives religion a bad name are people who claim to be christian but who apparently know little to nothing of what that implies.

Do any christians here ever wonder about how there are a hundred different factions of christianity, all claiming that the other is wrong and they are right? You can go to one church, walk across the street, and get told something completely different.

Then, all these "christians" on one side of a line declare war on the other side of a line, killing thousands of their fellows. And the priests on both sides tell the people that God is on their side of this righteous crusade against evil.

THEN, the bodies start coming home and their relatives ask God: why did you let this happen?

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 27 Jul 2005, 08:53

Well Caydr, you yourself just became an example of someone who doesnt know all the facts and makes a fool of themselfs because of it. I do hate religious fundamentalists, and i agree that they do put a bad face on religion. And how does Munch not know much about religion? Didn't seem like that to me.

While I agree that some of the things done in the 'Name Of God and All Things Good' could almost be said to be the work of 'The Devil' (go figure), Religion has got some very good things going for it. Even if its just the bits saying 'Be good and dont kill each other', then thats something good about religion.

You cant just totally dismiss all religion and everyone that belives as idiots. I am good friends with the Minister and his family at my church, and they are really cool people. I think that they hate the religious fundamentalists and other psychos as much as everyone

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