New Spring site design, I need your feedback.
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I dont need to experiment with the colour, you had it perfect first time around then you changed it to white all of a sudden without telling anybody, its not very nice, it clashes horribly with the rest of the site and makes the forum look like a badly done iframe whereas you had it looking very nice to begin with.
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Tim Blokdijk
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I do believe I changed the colour but I don't recall it that well, I even suspect it was before I uploaded it to svn. It had something to do with blue on blue not giving enough contrast to make it readable. But I don't know for sure if this was the reason for the change. It's not relevant anyhow. Feel free to change it.
How is http://newspring.darkstars.co.uk/index.php doing?
I see the response header is "200 OK" now but still nothing shows up. I suspect that the problem could be that you're not running php5. Can you you upload a file that shows the phpinfo() function output? That way I can find out how php is configured on your host.
How is http://newspring.darkstars.co.uk/index.php doing?
I see the response header is "200 OK" now but still nothing shows up. I suspect that the problem could be that you're not running php5. Can you you upload a file that shows the phpinfo() function output? That way I can find out how php is configured on your host.
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Tim Blokdijk
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Nobody? I'm going to drop this feature for now, I'm left in the dark without feedback and it allows me to cut a few corners here. Just know that the site is designed to allow redesigns without any real technical limitations. So if this pop's up any time in the future remember that it's already more or less possible to theme the site.Tim Blokdijk wrote:...
They read it, just no comments on this specific thing.
So game/mod dev's to rephrase: If you look at http://newspring.clan-sy.com/index.php (in firefox) and click on the theme menu (top right) and select a game/mod from the list. What should happen?
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It started working and now its stopped working. I have no time for it at the moment.
http://www.byethost.com is the host atm.
http://www.byethost.com is the host atm.
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BrainDamage
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first of all, mod-based news, like "new release #XYZ!"Tim Blokdijk wrote:...
They read it, just no comments on this specific thing.
So game/mod dev's to rephrase: If you look at http://newspring.clan-sy.com/index.php (in firefox) and click on the theme menu (top right) and select a game/mod from the list. What should happen?
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change the screnshots & movies to fit the mod details
if the ladder gets integrated, have links to the mod official ladder
change banners & themes to include also the mod name
EDIT: if the mod has it's own external forums, have them syndicated in a frame/whatever (i'm not good with html so i don't know the correct name)
The index/ problem still exists. Navigate to http://newspring.clan-sy.com and you get redirected to http://newspring.clan-sy.com/index/ which is a page with nothing but an empty directory listing
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Tim Blokdijk
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Tim Blokdijk
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I found this in another topic, decided to move it here as I don't like to mix the discussion with stuff unrelated to the website.
About working 'free reign on the development site', that's a idea to try out.
What's inconvenient about having it run on Fnordia's server?
I like to (semi-)automatically update the dev. env. with svn head but it's something I still have to find time for, I like to finish up the site for real use first I think.
The dev. processes are creating an extra barrier and slows down actual code development even worse the discussion and development of the processes themselves even have a negative effect on actual code written. But I'm not just going to drop it. It has major advantages to. It structures the "political" part of code development so you know quite sure that code you write is actually used. Things like documentation is given a place and the fact that an actual process is used also allows us to rethink and develop more efficient processes. All this is can happen in an more ad-hoc way but it's far more likely that it won't happen in a consisted way.
And you yourself support this with your next point
I'm trying to make it easy for people to hack on the site by using a life cd and a little script but I'm still having a bug in the Apache setup on the Ubuntu live-cd.
MelTraX had a site package, help support his effort so people without svn experience and join in. Write a "site setup guide" if you get it running on your host.
I agree about the current site.AF wrote:<SNIP><SNIP>
- The website
Poorly maintained, awkward to get any work going, not particularly intuitive, mostly walls of text. Most users arrive then leave as soon as they see the front page.
The new site is an improvement but imo I or tim working free reign over a working website development environment with a few days to spare and no 'development process' could do in hours what is currently taking months.
- Move the spring website environment off of fnordias webserver and to somewhere more convenient. If the svn is not updated when a change is made within 10-20 minutes of a change occurring then the either the change shouldn't have been made or svn shouldn't be used. The development process is a gigantic negative to site development. SVN alone has driven off many potential site developers.
- Support new projects and organize standards and co-operation.
About working 'free reign on the development site', that's a idea to try out.
What's inconvenient about having it run on Fnordia's server?
I like to (semi-)automatically update the dev. env. with svn head but it's something I still have to find time for, I like to finish up the site for real use first I think.
The dev. processes are creating an extra barrier and slows down actual code development even worse the discussion and development of the processes themselves even have a negative effect on actual code written. But I'm not just going to drop it. It has major advantages to. It structures the "political" part of code development so you know quite sure that code you write is actually used. Things like documentation is given a place and the fact that an actual process is used also allows us to rethink and develop more efficient processes. All this is can happen in an more ad-hoc way but it's far more likely that it won't happen in a consisted way.
And you yourself support this with your next point
- Support new projects and organize standards and co-operation.
I'm trying to make it easy for people to hack on the site by using a life cd and a little script but I'm still having a bug in the Apache setup on the Ubuntu live-cd.
MelTraX had a site package, help support his effort so people without svn experience and join in. Write a "site setup guide" if you get it running on your host.
I still think a livecd is still far too much, FAR far too much.
I personally cannot think why I'd take the time to downlaod and burn a livecd then restart and boot into it.
Ontop of that doing so would make me loose all my programs, forcing me to keep rebooting between my OS and the livecd or to use the tools on the livecd. Its a huge hassle.
The closest thing to your livecd that I'd consider even remtoely feasable is a Virtual machine.
I would propose we put the sit up somewhere and have people come forward and be given access to change as they wish. There would be free reign over the sites code by the developers given access. Once the site is considered to be in a state where content is being moved over and the site goes live the old development process resumes as the 'maintenance process'.
As it is I would say that an svn commit should accompany every FTP upload. If the svn isnt synced with the latest live site or vice versa than its somewhat useless.
Right now to make a change you have to push forth a commitment to making the changes and take the time to explain things in detail, whereas it would be easier to just do the work. A site shouldnt be very complex so undoing things or refactoring things shouldnt be as hard as perhaps a more complicated site like a social networking site or a web 2.0 app.
Right now the emphasis should be on getting the site to do the job its supposed to do and actually work as quickly as possible. Once thats done the emphasis should switch to cleaning up and securing whats in place for the long term using the processes discussed.
I personally cannot think why I'd take the time to downlaod and burn a livecd then restart and boot into it.
Ontop of that doing so would make me loose all my programs, forcing me to keep rebooting between my OS and the livecd or to use the tools on the livecd. Its a huge hassle.
The closest thing to your livecd that I'd consider even remtoely feasable is a Virtual machine.
I would propose we put the sit up somewhere and have people come forward and be given access to change as they wish. There would be free reign over the sites code by the developers given access. Once the site is considered to be in a state where content is being moved over and the site goes live the old development process resumes as the 'maintenance process'.
As it is I would say that an svn commit should accompany every FTP upload. If the svn isnt synced with the latest live site or vice versa than its somewhat useless.
Right now to make a change you have to push forth a commitment to making the changes and take the time to explain things in detail, whereas it would be easier to just do the work. A site shouldnt be very complex so undoing things or refactoring things shouldnt be as hard as perhaps a more complicated site like a social networking site or a web 2.0 app.
Right now the emphasis should be on getting the site to do the job its supposed to do and actually work as quickly as possible. Once thats done the emphasis should switch to cleaning up and securing whats in place for the long term using the processes discussed.
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Tim Blokdijk
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Requesting participation
I'm looking for some more participation on the new site, more particular, I like to see someone take responsibility for the content of the new site. No real technical skills required, only reasonable written English and the ability to work in a structured way with a lot of different people on equal basis. Willingness to understand technical (no 3D or sound on site) or political (open source, open standards) or personal (time constrains, motivation) limitations.
Specific responsibilities would be:
* Leading discussions about the site content.
What pages should be on the site and what information should be shown on those pages. example
* Coordinating translation.
Make sure that there are people that translate this to different languages. translation page
* Gathering requirements.
Talking with all the people that use the site and finding out what would be needed to make the site match there requirements. Then documenting this. Chapter 3
* Planning changes.
Discussing these requirements with the developers that have to implement this. Chapter 2 of the pdf linked above.
Understand that this is a time draining thing and your work would be somewhat invisible. And although not directly technical in nature it's still required to have a clue in that fiend. (or at leased a willingness to learn and understand) The major part of this is having people skills, if you can't get along with everybody when required things become really difficult as you will have no real dictator style power but still have to make sure things keep going.
So if there's someone that can *do* this I would be quite happy as then I can focus on the technical implementation details without having to coordinate discussions about, site features, translations and content.
Discussing page layout is also something I like to see this person do when someone with graphical web skills makes designs like has happened in the past in this topic. As I don't have the time to follow up and coordinate this at the moment.
Understand that you need to be very PRO-ACTIVE so if you reply with this like "Sure I like to do that." and then sit back and wait for me or others to tell you what to do.. you fail. You actually need to tell me what to do.
So anybody?
Feel free to ask questions.
I'm looking for some more participation on the new site, more particular, I like to see someone take responsibility for the content of the new site. No real technical skills required, only reasonable written English and the ability to work in a structured way with a lot of different people on equal basis. Willingness to understand technical (no 3D or sound on site) or political (open source, open standards) or personal (time constrains, motivation) limitations.
Specific responsibilities would be:
* Leading discussions about the site content.
What pages should be on the site and what information should be shown on those pages. example
* Coordinating translation.
Make sure that there are people that translate this to different languages. translation page
* Gathering requirements.
Talking with all the people that use the site and finding out what would be needed to make the site match there requirements. Then documenting this. Chapter 3
* Planning changes.
Discussing these requirements with the developers that have to implement this. Chapter 2 of the pdf linked above.
Understand that this is a time draining thing and your work would be somewhat invisible. And although not directly technical in nature it's still required to have a clue in that fiend. (or at leased a willingness to learn and understand) The major part of this is having people skills, if you can't get along with everybody when required things become really difficult as you will have no real dictator style power but still have to make sure things keep going.
So if there's someone that can *do* this I would be quite happy as then I can focus on the technical implementation details without having to coordinate discussions about, site features, translations and content.
Discussing page layout is also something I like to see this person do when someone with graphical web skills makes designs like has happened in the past in this topic. As I don't have the time to follow up and coordinate this at the moment.
Understand that you need to be very PRO-ACTIVE so if you reply with this like "Sure I like to do that." and then sit back and wait for me or others to tell you what to do.. you fail. You actually need to tell me what to do.
So anybody?
Feel free to ask questions.
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Tim Blokdijk
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Take my word for it, it has a far better technical design. It's not that hard to improve the pictures, colours and even layout.
Please drop the looks of the site in development for a second and think about the fact that I like someone to coordinate things. If I have to pimp the graphics before anybody is willing to take this request serious then I'm not going to bother with a public discussion like this.
So shape up and reply on topic as I'm not going to discuss my (in)ability to develop a site. Just presume I know my stuff if you lack the technical background to judge my work.
Thank you.
Please drop the looks of the site in development for a second and think about the fact that I like someone to coordinate things. If I have to pimp the graphics before anybody is willing to take this request serious then I'm not going to bother with a public discussion like this.
So shape up and reply on topic as I'm not going to discuss my (in)ability to develop a site. Just presume I know my stuff if you lack the technical background to judge my work.
Thank you.
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Tim Blokdijk
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I love to have a translation in Latvian but I need someone to coordinate translations first, that's the request I made above.
So if you (Pendrokar) are willing to not only translate from English to Latvian but also write the English text first then we can get somewhere.
There are problems with character encoding on the phpbb forum and I have a really hard time understanding the problem, let alone finding a fix for it.
So if you (Pendrokar) are willing to not only translate from English to Latvian but also write the English text first then we can get somewhere.
There are problems with character encoding on the phpbb forum and I have a really hard time understanding the problem, let alone finding a fix for it.
I don't get it? In this page I see - http://newspring.clan-sy.com/translation - translate to which I choice "Ask for more" and from "English" and I see that I need to translate phrases...ex. "Spring's news page", which in Latvian would be "Spring'a ziņu lapa"(won't translate spring I act on it as a product not Spring Spring). So what does Coordinated mean?Tim Blokdijk wrote:I love to have a translation in Latvian but I need someone to coordinate translations first, that's the request I made above.
So if you (Pendrokar) are willing to not only translate from English to Latvian but also write the English text first then we can get somewhere.
There are problems with character encoding on the phpbb forum and I have a really hard time understanding the problem, let alone finding a fix for it.
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Tim Blokdijk
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Good question.Pendrokar wrote:...
So what does Coordinated mean?
I believe the official way to write it is 'co-ordinate'. It means something along the line of "leading discussion", "keeping things in order", "keeping track of" and "keeping things going".
[EDIT]I wrote "spelling" that's wrong, replaced it with "way to write it" but I know there is a real English word for it..[/EDIT]
What, you though I was gonna just translate words and leave the whole sentence like it?Tim Blokdijk wrote:I believe the official way to write it is 'co-ordinate'. It means something along the line of "leading discussion", "keeping things in order", "keeping track of" and "keeping things going".Pendrokar wrote:...
So what does Coordinated mean?
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Tim Blokdijk
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Look I believe you don't quite get what I'm requesting help with.
I don't need a Latvian translation at this time, I first need someone to co-ordinate the translators (like you) as I don't have the time for that.
So great that you are willing to translate but step one is to get a clue on what text (content) needs to be shown on the site, step two is to write that text in English. Then step three, you translate this English text to Latvian.
Now I like someone to help me with steps one and two.
I don't need a Latvian translation at this time, I first need someone to co-ordinate the translators (like you) as I don't have the time for that.
So great that you are willing to translate but step one is to get a clue on what text (content) needs to be shown on the site, step two is to write that text in English. Then step three, you translate this English text to Latvian.
Now I like someone to help me with steps one and two.
Oh! K! Now I get it!Tim Blokdijk wrote:Look I believe you don't quite get what I'm requesting help with.
I don't need a Latvian translation at this time, I first need someone to co-ordinate the translators (like you) as I don't have the time for that.
So great that you are willing to translate but step one is to get a clue on what text (content) needs to be shown on the site, step two is to write that text in English. Then step three, you translate this English text to Latvian.
Now I like someone to help me with steps one and two.
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clericvash
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