Post 4190! (and Death Note stuff)

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 14 Sep 2007, 00:50

But seriously, here's a real post. There's a rumour going around that there could be another season of Death note, or possibly a new Manga THEN a new anime version. Oh BTW spoilers.

In any case. The reasoning is like this:

1) Death note = horrendously popular. Now, this isn't USA where if something's popular you make spinoffs until it becomes an unprofitable internet meme, but Japanese in their Samurai ways probably still see the potential cash just sitting there and would like the author to continue it.

2) Death Gods and their origins haven't been even touched on in the series hardly. Who's to say how they're created? Who's to say that what Ryuk said about the user of a death note being destroyed (like, spiritually, no heaven no hell no nothing) was correct? It's not like they're not capable of lying, Rem lied lots when it was a good situation to do so. Perhaps the user of a death note can become a death god somehow?

3) A shinigami which - to many - appears to bear resemblance to Light is shown at the end (?) of the soon-to-be-subbed 3-hour Death Note special that aired 2 weeks ago.

4) Everyone REALLY WANTS A SEQUEL, as long as it's good. Everyone. Even the ones that say "The second arc wasn't very good", would jump at the idea of a new season of quality comparable to the first arc of the first season.

5) This was earlier concept art so it's debatable whether or not it means anything, but I'd like to hope it does. Appears to be either just a Light shinigami or a fusion of Light and other characters. It's got the tanned skin of light with the pale skin of L (?), etc. Mikami-ish hair. Ryuk's blue skin...

6) There's some more I think, but I don't remember it so well...

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 14 Sep 2007, 00:52

I have no interest in Death Note.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 14 Sep 2007, 00:55

Why not? Are you a communist?

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 14 Sep 2007, 01:06

Nah, I just have peculiar taste. I prefer 1944 to BA and love to sex.

AF · Post by AF » 14 Sep 2007, 01:09

Saktoth · Post by **Saktoth** » 14 Sep 2007, 02:24

His pants are coming off! Zombie porn!

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 14 Sep 2007, 02:25

i dont get anime

dragon ball z was kinda kewl when i was like 12 and shit but srsly

i mean comon

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 14 Sep 2007, 05:54

TBH, I wasn't following the deathnote anime because A: I read the manga, and B: I didn't expect the anime acctually to get through the whole story board.

Basically, the thing is, if deathnote were to continue the author would have to find a way to spin it once again with all the highly cerebral and political character interactions and plot lines that made the first series work so well. Things like the extra rules being added to the death note and stuff, and how it screwed L over. Simply exploring universal background structures really won't make a fraction of the quality of story as was originally created. Not to say it's impossible, just to say I'd be highly critical if it wasn't done right.

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 14 Sep 2007, 07:39

hunterw wrote:i dont get anime

dragon ball z was kinda kewl when i was like 12 and shit but srsly

i mean comon

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 14 Sep 2007, 15:01

DBZ is regarded as shite, by anyone over 12. You need to watch GOOD anime, not just "anime". There's a lot of kiddy crap but also shows like Death Note that rival and surpass most American TV shows.

For every adult-themed serious anime there's 20 kiddy shows like DBZ.

I agree about it seeming like a far-fetched idea, but the money's there. Death Note is a franchise now, not just a manga. There's at least 2 games, an anime, a manga, 2 highly successful movies, and a third movie in production.

BTW, the anime is very faithful to the manga, in case you were interested. Personally I don't see the appeal of comics/manga very much, I'm just not into them. I've never read a comic in my life. To each his own, but I really think you'd enjoy watching the show.

Put money in front of a team of writers, say "we want more of similar quality" and see what they come up with. So far the franchise has only re-done what we've already seen: the L/M/N arcs. However with the L-themed standalone movie coming up, it seems they're willing to explore the story beyond what's already done.

The manga's author has only ever worked on Death Note. I don't think he/she'd just spend all this time sitting around.

Ishach · Post by **Ishach** » 14 Sep 2007, 15:02

hunterw wrote:i dont get anime

dragon ball z was kinda kewl when i was like 12 and shit but srsly

i mean comon

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Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 14 Sep 2007, 15:08

hunterw wrote:i dont get anime

dragon ball z was kinda kewl when i was like 12 and shit but srsly

i mean comon

that anime looks cool what is it

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 14 Sep 2007, 15:14

Alright let me put it this way. Until some time last year, I hadn't ever watched any anime. First one I watched was Death Note, and it's taken me from thinking it was kiddy crap like that picture you posted, whatever that is, to a genuine artistic medium comparable or superior to most American TV.

Considering American TV consists of eleventy thousand reality shows and game shows, it's not a bad alternative.

I won't just blindly say "anime is better than american TV" because that's horribly wrong. Just like american TV, it's mostly crap. But there is rare brilliant stuff unlike anything you've seen before.

It's probably mostly a budget thing. How many quality ideas do you suppose get shot down because the effects budget would have to be too large? With anime, it's just pictures whether it's an explosion in outer space or some guy walking down a street. And when actors/actresses don't need to be attractive or even act well, suddenly there's no problem finding the perfect person for a part.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 14 Sep 2007, 18:40

Anime bothers me. A lot.

-Why do all characters illustrated in Japan have to be of ambiguous gender? This is really annoying. It seems like all anime men look like women who have had breast reduction surgery. Seriously.

-WHDAFUXUP with the spiky hair.

-SUPER SAIYAN!

-It all sucks anyways.

-There's this subculture of anime fans who worship Japan and everything Japanese and become offended when you point out that they are not Asian, and then they're like "BUT IM KAWAI ON THE INSIDE" and go back to reading some weird manga book thing.

-What's up with manga anyways. Can't they read in Japan, or must everything be illustrated with odd pictures?

AF · Post by AF » 14 Sep 2007, 20:47

Many people would disagree with your about DBZ. *looks to the far east*

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 15 Sep 2007, 00:55

Felix... umm... The characters aren't usually so man-man vs girly-girl could be something to do with the cuteness thing over there. I don't know a lot about the Japanese culture, but I've seen even big respected Japenese corporations use cutesy anime as their logo and in advertising... Japanese animated characters seem to always be either very attractive or very unattractive. Not a lot of in-the-middle.

The same could be said of American TV. Show me a female lead character who's not practically a supermodel. Show me a male lead character who's not in good shape.

We have an obsession with sexiness, they have an obsession with cuteness.

Spiky hair... I guess it looks cool? It's a very popular trend. Probably one major franchise had spiky-hair people and it took off from there. The trend is starting to diminish now though. Just like reality shows were all that was on TV 3 years back, and now there's stuff with a budget again, like BSG, etc.

No idea what super saiyan is.

It mostly all sucks in your opinion, the same way you'd say most american TV sucks.

Anime freaks are losers. Same as us computer geeks. We're just obsessed with different stuff. You and I can probably tell what every gaming industry acronym means, the release dates for many of our favourite games, and all kinds of other stuff, we have a mental list of our favourite developers and maybe even individuals, favourite game characters... If you heard a sequel to your favourite game of all time was coming out in 6 months, and it had been in development for years and was sounding very well-made, would you not turn into a crayzy fanboy freak for a few minutes?

Now imagine, that your obsession with that game wasn't an unusual, one-in-a-thousand thing, and wasn't repressed by the ignorant unwashed masses who think video games make you murder people. Imagine it was actually a socially accepted national pastime. Chances are, half the people you know have at least heard of it.

Japanese people write books too. The only difference between manga and comics like we have is the art style and the fact that manga more often touch on serious topics than our comics do. Spiderman might be great fun, but is there a real story behind it? A lesson to be learned, besides, "don't get bitten by radioactive things, unless you want to be a superhero"?

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 15 Sep 2007, 01:34

There's alot of good American comic artists who inject some good plot and drama into their pieces. However, ya, in japan a good manga tends to be on par with a good movie in terms of storytelling. Something pretty rare here for a comic.

That being said, I love comics as an entertainment medium. It takes literally seconds to skim a comic book over and ingest the story, movies have the limitation of a fixed duration, and books you must read every word or you're very likely to miss large parts of the plot, a comic is just such a quick and natural way of absorbing a story. You can convey in a comic the visual drama that a movie would sell on, without sacrificing the development time to acctually make a movie, or the ease and convenience of book reading.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 15 Sep 2007, 02:03

Strictly speaking of comic book versus movie, I see the benefit as you describe. Maybe I'm just an overly audio/visual person, I haven't got the greatest imagination... I find it hard to imagine myself getting engrossed in ink and paper the way a well-made TV show, let alone movie, does. But I see your point.

Honesty I think the biggest thing is cost. I can't justify $10 or whatever for 5 minutes of reading, no matter how good.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 15 Sep 2007, 04:09

Caydr wrote:American TV

Caydr wrote:american TV

Caydr wrote:American TV

Aside: I thought you were Canadian?

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 15 Sep 2007, 05:15

Screw you, we blame that shit on America.

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Post 4190! (and Death Note stuff)

Post 4190! (and Death Note stuff)