Spring:1944 dev and testing

[FLOZi]

All can be controlled with the value of QUALITY.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

how does QUALITY work?

[FLOZi]

I'll post some examples when I get in from work. In about 5.5 - 6 hours.

[Felix the Cat]

Seems like the range calculation may be borked.

My tests indicated that a T60 firing at a Panther from maximum range does zero damage. A T60 firing from around 1/2 range takes a Panther down to somewhere between 2/3 and 1/2 health (so, 3-burst kill). Any closer and it becomes a 2-burst or even 1-burst kill.

[FLOZi]

Max range on T-60 should do 0 damage, the weapons are set up to accurately reflect the real penetration curves of the guns.

I won't go into detail with the maths, but with a QUALITY of 1801 (The current value Nemo adopted recently):

At 100 range: 29mm penetration vs. weighted average protection of panther @93.95mm

= 726 HP deducted (from 9395)
= 13 hits = 4 bursts.

At 500 range: 16mm penetration vs 93.95mm

= 304 HP deducted
= 31 hits = 8 bursts

Now, lets consider a QUALITY of 3602

At 100 range:

=182 HP deducted
= 52 hits = 13 bursts

At 500 range:

=58 HP deducted
= 162 hits = 41 bursts

Obviously, doubling QUALITY has a huge effect, with more gradual changes we can find a more suitable 'sweetspot'.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

wait, so quality is just a number subtracted from the damage received?

[FLOZi]

wait, so quality is just a number subtracted from the damage received?

No?

[1v0ry_k1ng]

oh, it looked like that. what is it actually doing then?

[FLOZi]

The actual maths is:

DamageApplied = penetration * e ^(-quality * (armour - penetration))

Where the values of QUALITY I've mentioned before are quality * 2^16 (as BOS doesn't handle floats). Basically the HP deducted for a non-penetrating hit falls off exponentially with the difference between armour and penetration.

edit: So if we really wanted to, we could make any non-penetrating hit do 0 damage.

[mecha]

*this is a copy of a post in the art and modelling section*

referring to some of the earlier posts regarding use of trenches

A better implementation of this would be to have support for occupiable buildings. -i know s:44 is probably the only mod besides WD that would have any use for it but it would be a cool feature and would allow trenches to be used (if the trench was treated as a building and units could be ordered to occupy it enmasse.)

perhaps this could be done by using some of the transports code and incorporating it into a building (a sort of stationary transport that looks like a building and can't turn around) and set isfireplatform=1 to allow units to fire from the building once loaded into it.

Don't know if it'll work but I'm at least a month away from having a computer to try this stuff

[Sleksa]

*this is a copy of a post in the art and modelling section*

referring to some of the earlier posts regarding use of trenches

A better implementation of this would be to have support for occupiable buildings. -i know s:44 is probably the only mod besides WD that would have any use for it but it would be a cool feature and would allow trenches to be used (if the trench was treated as a building and units could be ordered to occupy it enmasse.)

perhaps this could be done by using some of the transports code and incorporating it into a building (a sort of stationary transport that looks like a building and can't turn around) and set isfireplatform=1 to allow units to fire from the building once loaded into it.

Don't know if it'll work but I'm at least a month away from having a computer to try this stuff

but wont the units inside the transport automatically get paralyzed?

i think someone tried to do this long ago and there were some glitches that made it a non-worthwhile choice ~_~

[yuritch]

The units won't get paralyzed if isFirePlatform is set to 1, that's exactly what this tag is for. But they probably will be untargettable by enemy as long as the "transport" (building) is alive.

[mecha]

I was going to set it up so that the building had to be destroyed to get to the troops anyway.

i was also thinking about whether you could kill each unit inside the building using lua so that if a builing is 50% damaged then half the units inside have been destroyed

[1v0ry_k1ng]

there is no use at all for infantry garrisonable buildings in this mod imo. if a building is in LOS artillery and tanks and generally blowing it to pieces.
does that armour system mean tanks now have tags for armour n quality, and weapons have a tag for penetration? its a nice idea, sure cuts down on armour groups

[Saktoth]

If the building has more hp than the infantry, and if you are using AoE weapons (Artillery, which i guess is what you'd use on a building?) the units inside would die anyway.

[Felix the Cat]

I'm sure trenches and the like could be made with LUA <-> COB, but they would be out of place here.

Maybe if I ever get around to making a WW1 mod...

[Neddie]

I'm sure trenches and the like could be made with LUA <-> COB, but they would be out of place here.

Maybe if I ever get around to making a WW1 mod...

Hell yes. I'm petitioning now to be on your design team.

[mecha]

war at sea already has some really good quality ww1 ship models you could use

http://spring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtop ... ht=war+sea

[Felix the Cat]

I'm sure trenches and the like could be made with LUA <-> COB, but they would be out of place here.

Maybe if I ever get around to making a WW1 mod...

Hell yes. I'm petitioning now to be on your design team.

Awesome, I put you down for texturing.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

whar is everyone? i want some gaems!