CrushStrength

zwzsg · Post by **zwzsg** » 26 Jun 2005, 14:22

Inside taenheter.ccx /gamedata/moveinfo.tdf all movement classes have a CrushStrength tag. I found out that without that, units can't trample tree any more. Questions:
- What else does CrushStrength control?
- How is the value used? What's the formula used? Any threshold in CrushStrength that cause changes?
- Is it ok to not have any CrushStrength value? If so what is used?
- Can the CrushStrength be specified inside the /units/*.fbi instead of the /gamedata/moveinfo.tdf ? And if they are in both, which one is used?
- Do you have any list of all the new tags spring support?

Torrasque · Post by **Torrasque** » 26 Jun 2005, 14:55

In xta, goliath can go through wreck parhaps it use this flag.
I don't know if it is a usefull info.

Triaxx2 · Post by **Triaxx2** » 26 Jun 2005, 17:05

Maybe as a method of destroying units under foot. For example in WD, tanks could finally have the power to crush opposing, and friendly infantry under it's treads.

Post by SJ » 26 Jun 2005, 19:46

All features has a mass value if crushstrength is larger than a features mass than the feature can be crushed. Trees has a mass of 20 while other features get their mass according to the formula
fd->mass=fd->metal*0.4+fd->maxHealth*0.1;
when we creat our own formats the mass or whatever we will call it then will be possible to assign explicitly.

Only features can be crushed currently although it should be possible to extend to units in the future.

zwzsg · Post by **zwzsg** » 26 Jun 2005, 22:19

Thx. I like the preciseness of the answer: Mass=0.4*Metal+0.1*health

GrOuNd_ZeRo · Post by **GrOuNd_ZeRo** » 27 Jun 2005, 02:01

Heh, that's probably why my units don't crush trees in WD lol.

i'll have to add that flag then...

Doomweaver · Post by **Doomweaver** » 27 Jun 2005, 13:15

GrOuNd_ZeRo, isn't that a bit unrealistic?

Delta · Post by **Delta** » 27 Jun 2005, 13:25

Doomweaver wrote:GrOuNd_ZeRo, isn't that a bit unrealistic?

Tanks crushing trees?
That isn't unrealistic at all, like one of my officers said during my military service here in sweden (armor regiment): 'If there aren't any paths in the forest where you need to go, you make your own paths'

(Quite fun to see the tanks creating a path throu the trees in real life) And everyone, even the officers like running down trees (even those who said we shuldnt do it)

(Swedish military service varies from 7,5-15 months)

GrOuNd_ZeRo · Post by **GrOuNd_ZeRo** » 27 Jun 2005, 13:33

You should see what those .50's did in the Vietnam war, they could take trees down with those suckers :p well anway, if the tree isn't that big it should be easilly crushed by a tank.

Noruas · Post by **Noruas** » 28 Jun 2005, 05:25

ground zero is right, tiger tanks for example, can go through solid walls and building, and easily crush trees one at a time!

KiviGerbil · Post by **KiviGerbil** » 28 Jun 2005, 07:10

my friend was a tank driver during his service. he was backing up to a forest, he was being guided from outside. u really can't see much from the drivers seat in a tank. so suddenly he was told to stop. when he got up from the tank he saw that he had just driven over a tree. the engine was so powerful that he didn't even see a change in rpms when he crushed the tree

Doomweaver · Post by **Doomweaver** » 28 Jun 2005, 08:25

WOW! That's really fucking cool! Do they sustain damage, or can they keep it up indefinately?

Noruas · Post by **Noruas** » 28 Jun 2005, 09:05

tanks cannot be damaged in the process running over trees, think of it as

flesh vs. wood

but now its

wood vs. steel

KiviGerbil · Post by **KiviGerbil** » 28 Jun 2005, 09:46

the tank he drove was t-72

the only part of the tank that can get damaged while crushing trees is the barrel and turret rotating gear.

depends on tank, mainly battletanks can do this

assault tanks... well i don't know, depends on the tank and on the tree

btw assault tanks in XTA are totally crap... they should be faster and have a bit more firepower.. or jeffys and weasels should be weaker

real assault tanks are a bit weak, quite fast (60-100 km/h) and have rather powerful weapons, when used with infantry spotting targets and a bit tactic and luck they can take out even battletanks.

Cheery · Post by **Cheery** » 28 Jun 2005, 13:49

In every game, I wonder where there aren't assault tanks, or the assault tanks are moving like battle tanks.

It's also in TA spring. But for sake of open-source, we should repair this problem.

KiviGerbil · Post by **KiviGerbil** » 28 Jun 2005, 14:13

assault is considered to be somekind of extra-super-pwnsor unit...

like in battletech, assault = heaviest....

i really wonder where did they go wrong, but this is a bit off-topic

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 28 Jun 2005, 16:47

OTA gets it right...scouts are used for scouting assault tanks (flashes) are used widespread whilst battle tanks (stumpies) and main battle tanks (reapers, goliaths) are spread sparingly in the ranks

OTA>xta, even in the case of a sicko player like SJ

Buggi · Post by **Buggi** » 28 Jun 2005, 19:52

It's all in movement classes guys.

Moveinfo.tdf

and

MovementClass=???; in FBI file.

Didn't I see "BigAss" in there somewhere? lol!

-Buggi

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 28 Jun 2005, 20:04

lol that's probs for el zumos :)

GrOuNd_ZeRo · Post by **GrOuNd_ZeRo** » 30 Jun 2005, 09:38

I always was rather puzzled by the term: Assault Tank or Combat Tank.
the Stumpy acts more like a MBT with a very weak gun while the Bulldog is too slow to be considdered a MBT.

I think the best way to change this is to give the Stumpy the Bulldog gun and upgrade the Bulldog's weapons to something even more powerful, but that's just me, and why don't tanks have a EMG gun on the turret for taking out light targets?

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