Hahaha, C&C3 versus Supreme Commander

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 19 Apr 2007, 08:01

Wait, are Bunker Buster's actually nuclear? Or are they just really big bombs that are thrown in there to show the difference between a really big bomb and a really small nuke?

Let me do some fact checking. To wikipedia!

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 19 Apr 2007, 08:06

And according to "How it Works".com, there are two kinds of bunker busters. Nuclear and non-nuclear. I can see using a tac nuke the size of a bunker buster. As long as it isn't an actual bunker buster, which would sink a mile or so into the ground before exploding, a tac-nuke would be about the strenght of a Sup-Com nuke.

Neato.

I still want a Tzar Bomba!

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 19 Apr 2007, 08:06

Zoombie wrote:Wait, are Bunker Buster's actually nuclear? Or are they just really big bombs that are thrown in there to show the difference between a really big bomb and a really small nuke?

Let me do some fact checking. To wikipedia!

Wikipedia: Tactical nuclear weapons

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 19 Apr 2007, 08:11

PicassoCT wrote:Just imagine if Nukes could melt Glass out of the Sands in one of FAs Deserts, first the cooling of dark Glass. then the ... and Shards and Crystall flying after Artillery or Bombing.. man what a Show would that be.. who needs Tiberium if he has radioactive crystalls after a nuke.. they could even glow at night.. cherenkov blue light for the workx

PS: Zoombeeing - EE Tanks may shield against Alpha and Beta, but will phail anyway against Gama so if there are humans inside, they will be boiled no matter what.. if they are not amphibious deep under water..

Another Thing Spring misses.. a "Vulcano" Weapon/Spell... to seed new Islands to built upon..

The game you want to mod is Maelstrom or Perimeter, not Spring.

Zoombie: Bunker busters come in all kinds of varieties including the tacnuke.

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 19 Apr 2007, 16:26

Come on KDR thats a little bit unfair just showing somebody the door, because something is not possible...

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 19 Apr 2007, 17:11

Spring isn't and has never been about gimmicky terrain morphing. However, Perimeter and Maelstrom both use it a lot.

Muzic · Post by **Muzic** » 21 Apr 2007, 02:40

So..The Tzar Bomba, would that destroy an entire island country?

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 21 Apr 2007, 03:02

Muzic wrote:So..The Tzar Bomba, would that destroy an entire island country?

More like half the damned earth...

Ling_Lover · Post by **Ling_Lover** » 21 Apr 2007, 03:11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

guess again, it's been detonated... so half the earth wasn't destroyed

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 21 Apr 2007, 03:37

The device was scaled down

It was scaled down to weigh 27 tonnes and it still shattered glass ROUGHLY 1100 MILES away!

Masse · Post by **Masse** » 21 Apr 2007, 04:20

they said that the shockwave of tsar bomba circled earth few times :) but it felt like little wind :) and some say that u could see the cloud from finland

Post by **ILMTitan** » 21 Apr 2007, 05:51

IIRC, once you reach a certain bomb size, you just start shooting a five mile wide chunk of atmosphere off into space faster and faster as the bomb gets bigger and bigger, with less and less effect on the actual damage radius of the bomb.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 21 Apr 2007, 19:37

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Comp ... _sizes.svg

The most powerful nuke ever constructed has a fireball of only about 4.6 kms in size. It had a firepower of approximately 50 megatons of TNT, decreased from its maximum of 100 megatons because at its full power, the aircraft dropping it would be destroyed and the fallout would spread halfway around the world.

That's the fireball. The fireball is the area where everything, no matter how well-designed, would be atomized. Beyond there, the main destructive force would be the shockwave.

Even at 100kms distant, your skin will be liquefied from the heat.

For instance, it could completely annihilate manhattan, leaving nothing but water-filled crater surrounded by hundreds of square KMs of dust, surrounded by thousands of square kms of increasingly large debris, then tens of thousands of kms of severe damage.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 21 Apr 2007, 19:58

A water-filled crater from an airburst?

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 21 Apr 2007, 20:00

Eh... Craters form as a result of explosions, water eventually fills it if it's below the waterline.

Fanger · Post by **Fanger** » 21 Apr 2007, 20:01

hrm I dunno, could be possible I suppose with enough force but I dont think a more "conventional Nuke would do that..

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 21 Apr 2007, 20:02

I was talking about the tsar, the most powerful nuke ever used. Had 50 megaton explosive power, though was going to have 100mt.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 21 Apr 2007, 20:03

I think he's basing those datums off of the Tzar bomb blast. Though we have bigger nukes now...we just have never used them.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 21 Apr 2007, 20:06

I don't think so, not really. The Tsar was one of a kind, used in the cold war for propaganda mainly. The reason they needed to have such a large blast radius is because they were difficult to aim properly. In modern days, that size of explosion from a single warhead would be unnecessary and impractical. Anything that large and powerful has been dismantled, officially anyway.

Now it would be much more useful to be able to obliterate a dozen quarter-kilometer (or smaller) targets using a single fighter, rather than a single 4 KM target using an easy target like a strategic bomber. What reason would you really have to nuke something larger, besides pissing off the entire planet? (and if you wanted to do that, you don't need nukes, you need a cowboy president)

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 21 Apr 2007, 20:12

My freind Sam keeps saying that it's better to pepper an area with lots of small nukes, becuase their blastwaves will hit eachother and create new blastwaves.

But it'd still be fun to just fire some nukes into space and use them as blunt force planitary redcorating. Anyone else think Venus is ugly? Lets nuke it into shape!

Why? No reason, mostly. It's a better way of using the nukes then against people on earth.

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Hahaha, C&C3 versus Supreme Commander