Extreme low fps and missing terrain texture with ATI

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 06 Apr 2007, 20:49

Hi
i mess around with Ubuntu Edgy Eft and installed Spring today.

After some help through tobi i got it to run.

But Lua doenst work and i have framerates about 5 or 10 and the texture
of the maps are all white, while the textures of the units are fine ( ota-content installed).

I use a Radeon 9800Pro with the radeon drivers for it and pleeeeeeeeease dont tell me that ati is crap for Linux.

Perhaps someone has some ideas about the critical point.

Regards
Caradhras

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 09 Apr 2007, 17:00

No one knows? Or just everyone is lazy telling the linux noob what to do?

CautionToTheWind · Post by **CautionToTheWind** » 09 Apr 2007, 18:27

What CPU do you have?

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 09 Apr 2007, 21:00

AMD Athlon XP2700+ (thoroughbred core)

EDIT:
btw, on win xp it runs pretty smooth

CautionToTheWind · Post by **CautionToTheWind** » 09 Apr 2007, 22:00

I ask because i seem to remember some issues with dual core configurations.

As that is not your case, i ask if you have proper 3d performance in other software. Maybe your ati driver install is messed up or you need to upgrade to more modern drivers?

I, too, served my time with ATI in Linux. Some lessons don't come cheap.

CautionToTheWind · Post by **CautionToTheWind** » 09 Apr 2007, 22:03

Also take a look at your ~/.springrc file with the graphic settings. If they are too high (the water rendering can really kill performance at max settings), try setting them to what you have in windows. Keep in mind that if you are using the regular Windows lobby under wine (+native spring), the graphics settings you can configure there have no effect.

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 09 Apr 2007, 22:45

I dont use any lobby atm, i just want to bring spring itself to life, lobby comes later.

I can take a look at the .springrc again, but i dont think its the core of the problem, because I have ABSOLUTELY no terrain texture, its just whit, with the heightmap.

Hmm, i use the radeon driver for the 9800Pro and really 3D programs (wings3d and blender worked fine, but i didnt open big models,so this is no proof) I didnt use yet.

Is there any chance to check the driver? I could install Enemy Territory later.

CautionToTheWind · Post by **CautionToTheWind** » 10 Apr 2007, 00:05

You need to test with programs that do real-time rendering using 3d acceleration. That is mostly games. Have you tried running glxgears?

I think installing ET would be the next logical step. See if it runs properly. If it doesn't, you have to fix your driver install. If it does, you need someone with more ideas than me.

architeuthis · Post by **architeuthis** » 10 Apr 2007, 13:39

I use a Radeon 9800Pro with the radeon drivers for it and pleeeeeeeeease dont tell me that ati is crap for Linux.

You mean the open source radeon drivers? I know they work really slow, they only support efficient 3d acceleration on cards like the ati radeon 9250 and older. Have you tried out the closed source official ati drivers, the closed source drivers should be much faster. Check out the ubuntu forums for howto's.

Edit: try out this guide for the closed source ati drivers, if you want to use them:
http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu ... tion_Guide
Make sure you use "Method 2: Install the 8.35.5 Driver Manually", so you have the absolute latest driver. (The drivers in the repositories are 6 months old).

10053r · Post by **10053r** » 10 Apr 2007, 16:30

At this point, being only a couple weeks away from the feisty fawn release, I would just upgrade to that. Then you can use the "restricted drivers" control panel to install the closed source ati drivers with a couple clicks (plus a restart). Of course, feisty is still beta, so don't do this on a production machine. But then, you aren't playing spring on a production machine (I hope).

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 10 Apr 2007, 20:27

thanks for all your posts, i will try on friday (im not at home, atm)

Relative · Post by **Relative** » 11 Apr 2007, 00:23

architeuthis wrote:
I use a Radeon 9800Pro with the radeon drivers for it and pleeeeeeeeease dont tell me that ati is crap for Linux.
You mean the open source radeon drivers? I know they work really slow, they only support efficient 3d acceleration on cards like the ati radeon 9250 and older. Have you tried out the closed source official ati drivers, the closed source drivers should be much faster. Check out the ubuntu forums for howto's.

Edit: try out this guide for the closed source ati drivers, if you want to use them:
http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu ... tion_Guide
Make sure you use "Method 2: Install the 8.35.5 Driver Manually", so you have the absolute latest driver. (The drivers in the repositories are 6 months old).

Yeah, this is what you need to do to fix your problem. I have a similar system with a ATI 9800, and the open source drivers don't work (very low FPS, missing textures, etc...). Either get the official closed source drivers via the posted guide or wait for feisty release in a couple of days that comes with an easy install tool.

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 14 Apr 2007, 18:03

YES, its done!

Thanks a lot!

BTW: spelling errors suck a lot @ linux

But lua isnt working yet...

architeuthis · Post by **architeuthis** » 22 Apr 2007, 21:48

I'm having the same issue as Caradhras atm with the white textures. I updated to Ubuntu feisty so I could use my ati radeon 9250 again (the kernel in edgy had a bug which prevented the open source ati drivers from working, I had to use them because the closed source drivers are crap). So now all the maps are white (my framerate is fast enough though). Could this be a Spring issue or a driver issue? Is there anything I can do?

BTW: the closed source drivers are no longer supported for my card and the latest working version (=crap) doesn't support the 2.6.20 kernel.

Edit: here's a screenshot to show were I'm talking about.

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 23 Apr 2007, 16:49

hi, spring worked fine for me, after installing fglrx (the closed source drivers)

As you already mentioned, i had the same issues with the "radeon" drivers.

I think its a driver issue.

But you have to remember, that you have to recompile the drivers for every Kernel version!!!

Btw: her e is a very nice tutorial for installing fglrx (the ati closed source drivers).

Drivers from ATI

architeuthis · Post by **architeuthis** » 23 Apr 2007, 18:47

I know how to install the fglrx drivers

. But they don't work correctly for my graphics card, the 3d support of fglrx for my card was always very limited and is broken in the 28.8.8 version (segmentation faults with spring for example see my old thread about it here: http://spring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtop ... ion+faults).

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 23 Apr 2007, 21:03

hmm, ati send me to the mentioned driver for your card.

But it seems, that the radeon drivers are crap and the official, closed source ones dropped support for it.

architeuthis · Post by **architeuthis** » 27 Apr 2007, 16:57

Can anyone help me whit these white maps? It's really initiating to play on white maps.

But it seems, that the radeon drivers are crap and the official, closed source ones dropped support for it.

Indeed, lowzy ati. Why can't they just open the design of these older cards so people can create decent open source drivers?

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Extreme low fps and missing terrain texture with ATI

Extreme low fps and missing terrain texture with ATI