don't get me started on that.Pxtl wrote:meth lab.
What's your position on marijuana?
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Baised poll makes pepole angry.smoth wrote:biased poll is biased.
we NEED a sage option on this board.
Angry pepole get to dicussing more.
Would you be for a ban of alochol and tobacco and willing to give those things up if this happend? Since both of those things cause much more damage then cannabis.Marijuana is like gambling - relatively harmless, stupid entertainment for the majority, serious addiction for a minority.
And like gambling it should be illegal. Trivial, stupid entertainment doesn't justify societal sanction for things that are so harmful to a significant minority of their users.
I a really libertarian country I wouldn't mind legalizing all kinds of drugs, but in modern social welfare states, you end up paying for the consequences of other people's addictions - this justifies making them illegal.
Just saying like the other poster pointed out that we should allow it if other drugs are allowed and the same if they aren't. Like another poster pointed out, we are using the drugs that are legal now because we are used to them(cultural heritage), so either we start a big program to get rid of them or we make cannabis legal.
Well banning beer didn't work. It just made beer MORE popular. Banning ciggerrets won't work.
Banning marjiwana has probebly made MORE people try and get it. So I think it'd be better to do the opposit of what we're doing now. Insted of quashing the sale, we should practice it openly. Regulate it, control it and in general, make sure that it is worked like alcholol. If your old enough, do it. If you're driving while under the influence, then you're ticketed.
But that's just me.
Banning marjiwana has probebly made MORE people try and get it. So I think it'd be better to do the opposit of what we're doing now. Insted of quashing the sale, we should practice it openly. Regulate it, control it and in general, make sure that it is worked like alcholol. If your old enough, do it. If you're driving while under the influence, then you're ticketed.
But that's just me.
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Not as bad as alcohol and tobacco? Regardless of what anyone wants you to think, very little of weed as anything positive to offer you, even if you have galucoma.
Regardless of whether it is tobacco or weed, YOU ARE STILL INHALING SMOKE!!! Smoke is not good for your body mmmmk?
Look I'm a smoker (tobacco), and just like weed is hailed today for being great and having so many benefits etc etc. Tobacco was hailed as a cure for many many ailments way back when it became fashionable to smoke. Smoking was supposed to cure the common cold, help you get over flu's faster and a million other ridiculous claims. As it is, we know that smoking CAN (Not "does" due to everyone's genetic makeup being different, CAN), utterly destroy your body, and will if given enough time. A nice interesting side effect is that it reduces the chance of weight gain.
Smokers don't get high and do stupid shit. 50% of people can handle the effects of weed and it not be an issue, the other people do stupid shit. It is a MIND ALTERING DRUG!
Same for alcohol. It is A MIND ALTERING DRUG, and to make it worse, it makes you even more apt to do stupid shit than weed does. Causes some to hurt people around them, cause car wrecks, etc etc.
Personally I'm offended that you included tobacco in your poll option. Alcohol, tobacco, and weed ALL destroy your bodies in different ways. With alcohol, it destroys your liver and other related bodily functions. Tobacco destroys your lungs and can damage your larynx. Weed DOES destroy brain cells and causes damage to your lungs as well. BTW shocker, Weed will cause nearly as much damage to your lungs as tobacco will(if not more, considering that it is EXTREMELY carcinogenic), and in many ways is more likely to cause serious scarring than tobacco.
None of them are good for you. If I had my choice though, I would outlaw alcohol and legalize weed. I fucking hate the smell and the effects of weed. I Hate weed with a deep seated passion, and utterly despise anyone who uses it. Weed was the reason I tried shrooms, which lead to lsd, which lead to a very nasty coke habit ALL IN MY FUCKING TEENAGE YEARS! I hate mind altering drugs. I absolutely fucking hate them. I thank whoever the hell is watching out for me for bringing me to the realization that I was destroying my life before it was too late. One day, I woke up, Looked in the mirror, and said "No more". It was a bitch for a while, but I have yet to touch any of that bullshit since.
If anything, alcohol AND weed should be fucking illegal, but if I had to choose one to be legal, as much as I despise it, I would choose weed. Simply on principle. Weed has a less likely hood of causing you to have a negative impact on random people (like for example driving, or being high in a bar), and due to it's effects on most people is more likely to calm people down.
Alcohol does the exact opposite. It makes you FUCKING STUPID. Makes you very likely to get in fights, kill people by driving drunk and half a gazillion other really fucking stupid things.
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Regardless of whether it is tobacco or weed, YOU ARE STILL INHALING SMOKE!!! Smoke is not good for your body mmmmk?
Look I'm a smoker (tobacco), and just like weed is hailed today for being great and having so many benefits etc etc. Tobacco was hailed as a cure for many many ailments way back when it became fashionable to smoke. Smoking was supposed to cure the common cold, help you get over flu's faster and a million other ridiculous claims. As it is, we know that smoking CAN (Not "does" due to everyone's genetic makeup being different, CAN), utterly destroy your body, and will if given enough time. A nice interesting side effect is that it reduces the chance of weight gain.
Smokers don't get high and do stupid shit. 50% of people can handle the effects of weed and it not be an issue, the other people do stupid shit. It is a MIND ALTERING DRUG!
Same for alcohol. It is A MIND ALTERING DRUG, and to make it worse, it makes you even more apt to do stupid shit than weed does. Causes some to hurt people around them, cause car wrecks, etc etc.
Personally I'm offended that you included tobacco in your poll option. Alcohol, tobacco, and weed ALL destroy your bodies in different ways. With alcohol, it destroys your liver and other related bodily functions. Tobacco destroys your lungs and can damage your larynx. Weed DOES destroy brain cells and causes damage to your lungs as well. BTW shocker, Weed will cause nearly as much damage to your lungs as tobacco will(if not more, considering that it is EXTREMELY carcinogenic), and in many ways is more likely to cause serious scarring than tobacco.
None of them are good for you. If I had my choice though, I would outlaw alcohol and legalize weed. I fucking hate the smell and the effects of weed. I Hate weed with a deep seated passion, and utterly despise anyone who uses it. Weed was the reason I tried shrooms, which lead to lsd, which lead to a very nasty coke habit ALL IN MY FUCKING TEENAGE YEARS! I hate mind altering drugs. I absolutely fucking hate them. I thank whoever the hell is watching out for me for bringing me to the realization that I was destroying my life before it was too late. One day, I woke up, Looked in the mirror, and said "No more". It was a bitch for a while, but I have yet to touch any of that bullshit since.
If anything, alcohol AND weed should be fucking illegal, but if I had to choose one to be legal, as much as I despise it, I would choose weed. Simply on principle. Weed has a less likely hood of causing you to have a negative impact on random people (like for example driving, or being high in a bar), and due to it's effects on most people is more likely to calm people down.
Alcohol does the exact opposite. It makes you FUCKING STUPID. Makes you very likely to get in fights, kill people by driving drunk and half a gazillion other really fucking stupid things.
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Btw, the government is learning that cigarettes being banned is a bad thing. Namely, taxes. I buy my smokes for 3 bucks a pack. 2.50-2.60 of that goes to the government. If I stop smoking, the government loses 2.50-5.00 a day.
Now, in my city (that would be Kansas city), roughly half of the people here smoke mostly regularly. That would be roughly 250,000 people. Now imagine everyone in KC smokes bronsons (cheapy brand smoke) like I do. Now, government says you can't smoke in KC anymore. So 250,000 ish people stop smoking.
End result, government loses $625,000 per day. And that's assuming that these people smoke the cheap cigs!
As you can see, this is why smoking bans are inevitably doomed to phailure.
Now, in my city (that would be Kansas city), roughly half of the people here smoke mostly regularly. That would be roughly 250,000 people. Now imagine everyone in KC smokes bronsons (cheapy brand smoke) like I do. Now, government says you can't smoke in KC anymore. So 250,000 ish people stop smoking.
End result, government loses $625,000 per day. And that's assuming that these people smoke the cheap cigs!
As you can see, this is why smoking bans are inevitably doomed to phailure.
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BTW I agree with you zoombie. Legalizing it would probably massively increase in use for a reasonably short time, but in the end, if it was sold at every store cigs are sold at, I think it's useage rates would decline significantly.Zoombie wrote:Well banning beer didn't work. It just made beer MORE popular. Banning ciggerrets won't work.
Banning marjiwana has probebly made MORE people try and get it. So I think it'd be better to do the opposit of what we're doing now. Insted of quashing the sale, we should practice it openly. Regulate it, control it and in general, make sure that it is worked like alcholol. If your old enough, do it. If you're driving while under the influence, then you're ticketed.
But that's just me.
Personally, I think if someone is stupid enough to deliberately INHALE something that is known to damage your body, then they deserve to die.
No offense Forb, but cigarettes. Ugh. They make me gag and scratch my head. It's almost like a disease that you pay for. No wait, it IS a disease you pay for. Same thing with reefers (that's easier to spell than marjiwhatever), Alcohol all that stuff.
No offense Forb, but cigarettes. Ugh. They make me gag and scratch my head. It's almost like a disease that you pay for. No wait, it IS a disease you pay for. Same thing with reefers (that's easier to spell than marjiwhatever), Alcohol all that stuff.
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SO all smokers, alkies and people that do drugs should instantly drop dead? Wow, enjoy the Fascist government that would ensue. Seriously, for you to actually think like that, something is seriously wrong with you.Zoombie wrote:...they deserve to die.
Meh, done with this thread before it turns into a flamewar.
Weed shouldn't be legal imo, neither should alcohol, since being in Canada Ive been shocked at the number of arseholes who get stoned / drunk and get in their car and drive home.
For every one person that can use this stuff responsibly, i.e. control themself when drunk and not fight or drive, there's two who can't, making weed legal and more easily available is a mistake.
Anyone who thinks weed is harmless is two fries short of a happy meal, you ever seen the inside of a used bong? that resin ends up in your lungs...
Smoking should be legal but limited to consumption in your own home, so none smokers like me, who actually have some common sense, don't have to inhale that shit in the street or in a bar or wherever.
For every one person that can use this stuff responsibly, i.e. control themself when drunk and not fight or drive, there's two who can't, making weed legal and more easily available is a mistake.
Anyone who thinks weed is harmless is two fries short of a happy meal, you ever seen the inside of a used bong? that resin ends up in your lungs...
Smoking should be legal but limited to consumption in your own home, so none smokers like me, who actually have some common sense, don't have to inhale that shit in the street or in a bar or wherever.
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It appears that you have smoked yourself retarded HunterW
Smoking pure cannabis is more harmful to lungs than tobacco, a health charity is warning.
A study by the British Lung Foundation found that just three cannabis joints a day cause the same damage as 20 cigarettes.
It is vital that people are fully aware of the dangers so they can make an educated decision and know the damage they may be causing
Dr Mark Britton
And when cannabis and tobacco are smoked together, the effects are dramatically worse.
Evidence shows that tar from cannabis cigarettes contains 50% more cancer causing carcinogens than tobacco.
Dr Mark Britton, chairman of the British Lung Foundation, said: "These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is safer for them.
"It is vital that people are fully aware of the dangers so they can make an educated decision and know the damage they may be causing."
BBCi Science - Hot Topics
Click here for more about cannabis
Dr Britton emphasised that the British Lung Foundation report - called A Smoking Gun? - was "not about the moral rights and wrongs of cannabis".
But, he said, they simply wanted to make sure people were completely clear about the respiratory health risks involved.
Misconception
Surveys carried out earlier this year showed that 79% of children believed that cannabis was 'safe'.
Only 2% understood correctly that there are health risks associated with smoking the drug.
The British Lung Foundation report also shows that the health dangers of cannabis have substantially increased since the 1960s.
That means that clinical studies carried out in the sixties and seventies may well underestimate the ill effects of smoking the drug.
This is due to increased amounts of THC - or delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, the major active chemical compound - in the cannabis consumed today.
Pleasure receptors
In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and thereby influences the activity of those cells.
Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.
Dame Helena Shovelton, chief executive of the British Lung Foundation, said: "Puff and inhalation volume with cannabis is up to four times higher than with tobacco - in other words you inhale deeper and hold your breath with the smoke for longer before exhaling.
"This result in more poisonous carbon monoxide and tar entering into the lungs."
The British Lung Foundation is calling for the government to implement a public health education on the health risks of cannabis.
The charity will also be pushing for further research into cannabis and the lungs and its potential link with the development of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Link to source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2419713.stm
Most notable quote...
A study by the British Lung Foundation found that just three cannabis joints a day cause the same damage as 20 cigarettes.
It is vital that people are fully aware of the dangers so they can make an educated decision and know the damage they may be causing
Dr Mark Britton
And when cannabis and tobacco are smoked together, the effects are dramatically worse.
Evidence shows that tar from cannabis cigarettes contains 50% more cancer causing carcinogens than tobacco.
Dr Mark Britton, chairman of the British Lung Foundation, said: "These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is safer for them.
"It is vital that people are fully aware of the dangers so they can make an educated decision and know the damage they may be causing."
BBCi Science - Hot Topics
Click here for more about cannabis
Dr Britton emphasised that the British Lung Foundation report - called A Smoking Gun? - was "not about the moral rights and wrongs of cannabis".
But, he said, they simply wanted to make sure people were completely clear about the respiratory health risks involved.
Misconception
Surveys carried out earlier this year showed that 79% of children believed that cannabis was 'safe'.
Only 2% understood correctly that there are health risks associated with smoking the drug.
The British Lung Foundation report also shows that the health dangers of cannabis have substantially increased since the 1960s.
That means that clinical studies carried out in the sixties and seventies may well underestimate the ill effects of smoking the drug.
This is due to increased amounts of THC - or delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, the major active chemical compound - in the cannabis consumed today.
Pleasure receptors
In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and thereby influences the activity of those cells.
Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.
Dame Helena Shovelton, chief executive of the British Lung Foundation, said: "Puff and inhalation volume with cannabis is up to four times higher than with tobacco - in other words you inhale deeper and hold your breath with the smoke for longer before exhaling.
"This result in more poisonous carbon monoxide and tar entering into the lungs."
The British Lung Foundation is calling for the government to implement a public health education on the health risks of cannabis.
The charity will also be pushing for further research into cannabis and the lungs and its potential link with the development of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Link to source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2419713.stm
Most notable quote...
A study by the British Lung Foundation found that just three cannabis joints a day cause the same damage as 20 cigarettes.
And when cannabis and tobacco are smoked together, the effects are dramatically worse.
Evidence shows that tar from cannabis cigarettes contains 50% more cancer causing carcinogens than tobacco.
Duh...hunterw wrote:1v0ry_k1ng wrote:looking at the three options, I get the impression your biased in favour of it. a forth option "it has negative effects and is more harmful than alchohol and tabacco" is in order
lol that's the most retarded thing i've read all day
I have to agree on this one... some people don't get along with drugs others do, it's not the drugs fault.
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Offcourse, smoking ain't the only option... the most healthy way that many cannabis communites try to enqourage is VAPORISING the drug, which DOSEN'T relase any of the deadly toxins inside but only the mind altering drug.
http://www.vaporinfo.com/
http://www.marijuana.com/storz-and-bick ... vaporizer/
So yea.
As i said before, ban one, ban em all. Don't ban all, don't ban weed. Same legislation as alcohol.
http://www.vaporinfo.com/
http://www.marijuana.com/storz-and-bick ... vaporizer/
So yea.
Yup, think about what legalising and taxing Weed could do! If we sell weed on the open market, then slowly increase the tax of raw material and have low tax for the vaporators themself...Btw, the government is learning that cigarettes being banned is a bad thing. Namely, taxes. I buy my smokes for 3 bucks a pack. 2.50-2.60 of that goes to the government. If I stop smoking, the government loses 2.50-5.00 a day.
Now, in my city (that would be Kansas city), roughly half of the people here smoke mostly regularly. That would be roughly 250,000 people. Now imagine everyone in KC smokes bronsons (cheapy brand smoke) like I do. Now, government says you can't smoke in KC anymore. So 250,000 ish people stop smoking.
End result, government loses $625,000 per day. And that's assuming that these people smoke the cheap cigs!
As i said before, ban one, ban em all. Don't ban all, don't ban weed. Same legislation as alcohol.
you should be excluded from mental health insurance because of the damage you cause to your mind by watching animeKDR_11k wrote:No but they should be excluded from any insurance or other medical financial aid for damage arising from or being contributed to by the use of these substances.Forboding Angel wrote:SO all smokers, alkies and people that do drugs should instantly drop dead?Zoombie wrote:...they deserve to die.
By extension of that rational, so should rock-climbers, rugby players, sky divers, people who dont drive volvos.....KDR_11k wrote:No but they should be excluded from any insurance or other medical financial aid for damage arising from or being contributed to by the use of these substances.Forboding Angel wrote:SO all smokers, alkies and people that do drugs should instantly drop dead?Zoombie wrote:...they deserve to die.
Very wooly definition of self harm, and i think, on reflection, any legislation along these lines could be the start of a "slippery slope" into a nanny-state