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We need users who are willing to report infractions to the mods if they aren't watching. It may surprise you, but moderators have lives outside of spring, and responsibilities that are more important than watching every line that someone types in #main. I don't get paid to watch #main, I get paid to do my job. MODERATORS DONATE THEIR TIME. PLEASE REALIZE THAT AND BE THANKFUL FOR IT.We need a mod team that is willing to uphold the rules of the spring lobby.
As I said before in this thread, we are aware that there are not enough lobby mods right now and are working to get some more.
It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to just have a bot log everything that goes on in #main and index it onto a website. Then the 'team' of moderators can just read through the logs and see if anyone needs any electronic ass whoopings. I know the logs can be long, but surely the amount of moderators the lobby has can get it done (I'm always seeing severals wrenches whenever I'm logged on). No offense, but moderating isn't *that* difficult.
Most problems with the lobby are ones that are temporary, like spamming. That would be pretty tedious to go through and not be very useful.hrmph wrote:It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to just have a bot log everything that goes on in #main and index it onto a website. Then the 'team' of moderators can just read through the logs and see if anyone needs any electronic ass whoopings. I know the logs can be long, but surely the amount of moderators the lobby has can get it done (I'm always seeing severals wrenches whenever I'm logged on). No offense, but moderating isn't *that* difficult.
When things like this pop up in the lobby I do try and PM mods but usually they're either away and not responding or playing a game.
1) #Main is already logged to a webbased interface.hrmph wrote:It seems like it wouldn't be too hard to just have a bot log everything that goes on in #main and index it onto a website. Then the 'team' of moderators can just read through the logs and see if anyone needs any electronic ass whoopings. I know the logs can be long, but surely the amount of moderators the lobby has can get it done (I'm always seeing severals wrenches whenever I'm logged on). No offense, but moderating isn't *that* difficult.
2) As tombom said, after the fact moderating isn't particularly useful.
One of the reasons that people act out of line when no moderators are around is because they know that they won't be 'moderated after the fact.' By not doing anything at all since it 'already happened,' these people are obviously not going to be deterred from doing it again.
If someone says some extremely offensive things or spams #main a good bit: give them a one or two day mute. Even if the punishment happens a day or two after the offense. Having a punishment at all (late or not) is better than just saying "oh well, it happened in the past theres not much I can do now." And maybe the next time those people are thinking about spamming/insulting/whatever they will think about being muted (and not just for 20 minutes) and they won't do it. Some deterrence is better than none.
BTW: threads like this are practically MTR: I don't think it has as much to do with actual spam/violations in the lobby (eh don't ask me I don't use #main anymore) as much as it does with people saying "Make meh a mod!!" without use those exact words...
If someone says some extremely offensive things or spams #main a good bit: give them a one or two day mute. Even if the punishment happens a day or two after the offense. Having a punishment at all (late or not) is better than just saying "oh well, it happened in the past theres not much I can do now." And maybe the next time those people are thinking about spamming/insulting/whatever they will think about being muted (and not just for 20 minutes) and they won't do it. Some deterrence is better than none.
BTW: threads like this are practically MTR: I don't think it has as much to do with actual spam/violations in the lobby (eh don't ask me I don't use #main anymore) as much as it does with people saying "Make meh a mod!!" without use those exact words...
Extreme cases could be moderated after the fact with a permmute, but that would require users who were present bringing the infraction to the attention of the mods (A chat log via PM for example), rather than the mods combing through the logs.
No doubt, but it doesn't work that way...hrmph wrote:as much as it does with people saying "Make meh a mod!!" without use those exact words...
Well... my point is that theres probably lots of situations that should require a punishment in between a 20 minute mute and the permamute. With something like this maybe more people will be deterred.
Yay for out of context quoting! Atleast you didn't quote me like this:
Yay for out of context quoting! Atleast you didn't quote me like this:
hrmph wrote:"Make meh a mod!!"
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SwiftSpear
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If someone wants to write me software to comb through logs and pull out scenarios that are likely infractions then I'll consider doing it. It's a waste of time for a human to try to do it manually. 50% of all message are join quit messages, another 40% advertisement for a game or mod, and 8% is uninteresting personal dialog, The 2 percent of #main lobby dialog that is interesting to read is no where NEAR enough to keep a human from quickly becoming too bored to actually read the content.
[edit] I can use the logs to verify a happening that my account was not present for, but only if it's reported by other users, there's no way I'm going to randomly find it on my own.
[edit] I can use the logs to verify a happening that my account was not present for, but only if it's reported by other users, there's no way I'm going to randomly find it on my own.
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SwiftSpear
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Really, it's good if it just PM's me the line in question, because then I have the timestamps and user name I'm looking for.
Very few people are banned for using racial slurs though, it's more contextually explicit mature discussion, links to mature level advertising, and obvious intent to do harm spam. Occasionally someone is disciplined for flaming another user, which is even more hard to ratify because often times both parties are joking back and forth, rarely is it one sided enough to be completely clear, and the conflict usually started in a game so it's impossible for me to review and determine who is the fault starter.
Very few people are banned for using racial slurs though, it's more contextually explicit mature discussion, links to mature level advertising, and obvious intent to do harm spam. Occasionally someone is disciplined for flaming another user, which is even more hard to ratify because often times both parties are joking back and forth, rarely is it one sided enough to be completely clear, and the conflict usually started in a game so it's impossible for me to review and determine who is the fault starter.
