Ennemi building stay out of los
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The whole point of markers was to be quick and note out crucial buildings for bombardement. This new thing is permanent and as I have explaned five times on the previous page, it means that you can easily differ the mobile units from the defences, and by their spped even determine the type. Why this devouring of a great game into Warcraft?
Hum, that now we have good chances to distinguish ennemi building from mobile units...bah, i don't think you will know so easly the map....
But don't you think it will be better to try a then have a better discution?
Perhaps that with autofiring with terain deformation with I don't know what can do a good things...
I would really people to try before trowing away the idea. I'm for trying stupid idea, it's a beta, we have all the time to changes things. I don't know what is the best rts possible, but I don't think we can found it without try a lot of possibilities.
But don't you think it will be better to try a then have a better discution?
Perhaps that with autofiring with terain deformation with I don't know what can do a good things...
I would really people to try before trowing away the idea. I'm for trying stupid idea, it's a beta, we have all the time to changes things. I don't know what is the best rts possible, but I don't think we can found it without try a lot of possibilities.
I don't need to try no emg, no bertha, no nuke, no units on hills to know such a game would be an awesome suck. I have already played enough games with this feature, none of which even had any reasonable scout unit to explore a base, nor to mention radar coverage over all mobile units. This is so wrong... so wrong.
Conservative? Yes, I'm trying to preserve what makes this game great and hinder it from being reduced to rubble. I can see the difference between features like Alt-Shift buildings and stupidity, like this thing.
And no, I donät see it as pointless. I'm desperately trying to explain why it is such an immensively bad idea and being frustrated at the incompetence of people that don't see how this "fix" cripples yet another pillar in the game.
And no, I donät see it as pointless. I'm desperately trying to explain why it is such an immensively bad idea and being frustrated at the incompetence of people that don't see how this "fix" cripples yet another pillar in the game.
Maybe people "don't see how this "fix" cripples yet another pillar in the game" because they don't agree that it cripples anything? I certainly don't, I think it will improve both realism and the opportunity for developing strategies both offensive and defensive. And if I turn out to be wrong, there will be opportunity to make the feature optional later on.
Flipping out like this before you've even tried it will reduce the credibility of your analysis later on when you've got evidence to work from, IMO.
Flipping out like this before you've even tried it will reduce the credibility of your analysis later on when you've got evidence to work from, IMO.
That's an excelent idea imo.mongus wrote:I like the current MM-oriented marker system.
But the auto mark feature is a nice (and very strategic) addition too...
Maybe a new building can do this? or an existing one (as targeting facility, so expensive!).
The targeting facility which is useless now, is very usefull then :D And now u got to invest a whole lot be4 u get this micromanegment reliefer, just like in OTA
Targeting Facilty is not useless.
Just spitting numbers i will say it can improve your firepower about +50%.
Because it makes 100% accurate Laser weapons, and "just as in LOS accurate" misiles and plasma shots.
Giving a 100% efficiency to weapon range.
Its like an upgrade of accuracy to all your current weapons.
Just look any replay, and you will nottice that defense tower shots are VERY inacurate if the enemy is not in LOS.
I just dont build it much cuz its too expensive...
EDIT:
I just read the SJ post about enabling it by default... and i dont think its a good idea...
anyhow, this is beta, and we can try very different stuff. this will give us more xp
Just spitting numbers i will say it can improve your firepower about +50%.
Because it makes 100% accurate Laser weapons, and "just as in LOS accurate" misiles and plasma shots.
Giving a 100% efficiency to weapon range.
Its like an upgrade of accuracy to all your current weapons.
Just look any replay, and you will nottice that defense tower shots are VERY inacurate if the enemy is not in LOS.
I just dont build it much cuz its too expensive...
EDIT:
I just read the SJ post about enabling it by default... and i dont think its a good idea...
anyhow, this is beta, and we can try very different stuff. this will give us more xp
Make SOME things toggable is important, make EVERYTHING toggable is not good at all.
Imagine all the discussions: "I will this, I can't play without that, this is better, you're a dumbass, ignorant, I play TA longer, ...." *kick*.
We need a good standard and a handfull toggable features.
More complex changes are part of mod's.
Btw. wasn't in OTA the opponents stuff visible for some time after a scout revealed it? And the buildings as long as they were in the 'grey fog of war'. And everything returned invisble in the 'black fog of war'.
(these options were toggable, if I remember correctly.)
Imagine all the discussions: "I will this, I can't play without that, this is better, you're a dumbass, ignorant, I play TA longer, ...." *kick*.
We need a good standard and a handfull toggable features.
More complex changes are part of mod's.
Btw. wasn't in OTA the opponents stuff visible for some time after a scout revealed it? And the buildings as long as they were in the 'grey fog of war'. And everything returned invisble in the 'black fog of war'.
(these options were toggable, if I remember correctly.)