Joining the Army (Reserves)

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 10 Nov 2006, 03:47

China, 1945-1949; Italy, 1947-1948; Greece, 1947-1949; Phillipines, 1945-1953; South Korea, 1945-1953; Albania, 1949; Germany, 1950s; Iran, 1953; Guatemala, 1953-1990; Middle East, 1956-Present; Indonesia, 1957-1958; Guyana, 1953-1964; Vietnam, 1950-1973; Cambodia, 1955-1973; Congo, 1960-1965; Brazil, 1961-1964; Dominican Republic, 1963-1966; Cuba, 1959-Present; Indonesia, 1965; Chile, 1964-1973;

I'm tired so I'm going to stop there. That's about half of it.

bwansy · Post by **bwansy** » 10 Nov 2006, 03:52

What does this list repesent? Are you posting in the wrong thread? No offence, just that I am confused.

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 10 Nov 2006, 03:54

I think I get it Bwansy...

And you called me ignorant, not stupid..

espylaub called me stupid.

I have never confused ignorance and stupidity, and I never will.. Someone of my standards must never get such different words confused.
Ignorance is not knowing. Stupidity is... stupidity.. lol

Yes, I read your words.. You have recently posted them up, plenty of times.. Even though its spelled wrong

edit: bah, I am tired.. Snipa go sleep now..

bwansy · Post by **bwansy** » 10 Nov 2006, 03:57

Snipawolf wrote:Even though its spelled wrong

Oh typo x3

Honestly I didn't copy and paste.

Fanger · Post by **Fanger** » 10 Nov 2006, 05:07

People are inherently racist.. is a group thing.. you people need to realize that.. and yes Im saying that people have been killing eachother for NO REASON since time began, and YES I CAN GET MAD ABOUT IT, but only when it affects me, I dont like when people try to kill me, regardless of whether they can help it or not...

I dont have anything against the Iraqi people, but the only way to win a guerilla war, against insurgents, is to either A: Kill the entire populous ( a draconian measure no one wants to contemplate) or B: DONT GET FUCKING INVOLVED IN THE FIRST PLACE...

What am I saying... WE SHOULD NOT BE IN IRAQ, IT IS A POINTLESS WASTE OF AMERICAN LIVES.. It pisses me off that so many Americans have died for a pointless stupid war, we should not be involved in, and no I DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE IRAQIS, why, THEY ARE NOT MY COUTNRYMEN, I honestly wouldnt expect them to give a damn about me.. they can go suck a nut...

Im not in a dome of ignorance... So what if America imposes sanctions on other countries to keep them impoverished, I dont care, this isnt a WIN all situation, this is a someone loses, personally if My country is winning doesnt bother me a shit.. if people in other parts of the world get shafted, sucks to be them, and if they were in our position they would think the same damn thing.. you people think America is somehow evil or morally corrupt, yet you fail to realize that if Thailand were in Americas position youd be railing against them instead, because they would be screwing everyone else for their benefit too... Stop being self righteous bwansy.. your country would be just as assholeish were it top dog, as the US is now.. your just too niave to realize this shit..

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 10 Nov 2006, 05:26

espylaub wrote:And diplomacy vs, terrorism, you're not that thick, are you? I'm not expecting the UN to go and have a cup of tea with Bin Laden. I'm talking about, for example, showing that America is benevolent in it's foreign policy. That, as "The land of the free, home of the brave", "greatest nation on earth" and all that, they can take a leading role in the world that reflects their ideals, not betrays them

You forget that we tried that for almost twelve years, from around 1990 until 2001. Under George H.W. Bush, the US led an internationally sanctioned coalition including such diverse nations as the US, the UK, France, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Australia to liberate Kuwait from Iraq. Under Bill Clinton, we spent millions in foreign aid to the third world, and negotiated a settlement with North Korea.

What did that get us? A couple of billion dollars of taxpayer money being channeled into the pockets of tin-pot dictators because the UN demands we respect their sovereignty, and respecting their sovereignty requires giving foreign aid to their governments instead of directly to the people; a North Korea that took our "carrot" money and reinvested it into its nuclear program; and, of course, a couple of airliners ramming into downtown Manhattan.

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 10 Nov 2006, 05:38

bwansy wrote:What does this list repesent? Are you posting in the wrong thread? No offence, just that I am confused.

It is a small list of instances that the United States has intervened militarily or politically to push its interests in those countries.

bwansy · Post by **bwansy** » 10 Nov 2006, 05:42

To contrary of your belief, I do realise that if Thailand, or ANY other country, do the same thing, people would definitely be railing against it. I am not against the US. I am against what it does to other countries. I am against this injustice action. Did I ever say the US is evil or immoral? Stop imposing these comments on me for what I have never done. The action is evil, and so is whatever the country that does it. It is not that "beause the US (or the people) is evil so it does all these to others", but intead, "because the US government is doing so, so we think it is injustice". You have to realise which one is the cause, and which one is the effect. I may be self righteous, but aren't you? Stop making assumptions. I am using the US as the example because:
1. it is the easiest country to find examples,
2. everyone in here is talking about it,
3. it's your country, and we want you to know the true face of it.

And... the people who are in the dome of ignorance will never know they are. But one thing is sure: a person in a dome of ignorance can still see what someone in another completely different dome cannot see. Yes. My country maybe using unfair trade against Asia and Africa as well, but I haven't heard of any comments about it anywhere outside of my country, including the US, where I am studying in.

EDIT: Two people had posted while I was typing. This post is the reply to Fanger.

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:18

I am against the US. Because, with the possible exception of the Soviet Union, no other nation, country, or authority has ever posed so much a threat to so many people.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 10 Nov 2006, 08:10

Anyone in power, at one time or another, will want to abuse it.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 10 Nov 2006, 13:16

Both wars during Bush's reign were against people the US put into their current position. Both Bin Laden and Hussein were supported by the US in order to make them fight the Soviets and allow the US to gain control over the strategically important Middle East region (this has been an important goal in US foreign policy since the end of WW2). After the Soviets were gone both wanted to take control of their region which means removing any influence foreign countries exact on it. After the Soviets were gone only the US was left influencing the region (and Israel was seen as an outpost for the US). So of course both hate the US as the US is still influencing the region and both want Israel gone since without it the US (and the rest of the NATO) would no longer have any foothold in the region.

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 10 Nov 2006, 13:31

I see everyone's side..

So where is the argument..

Diplomacy Over Running around blowing people up seems to be where we are.

Yeah, the United States is trying to get on top. Apparently Americans love it on top. They don't wanna let it go.

But this isn't war, it's a holocaust. If I was a soldier, I would not want to be near anyone else, unless they had the same equipment. Why? Someone you knew got blown up last weekend? Anything Similar? Hear Rumors? It's enough to make a jumpy trigger twitch.

Then we have the civilians. What are they in? The middle? Yeah. Terrorists on this side, wanting revenge for what happens to the civilians. Civilians never know just what is going on though. They wait and hope for it to be over. That itchy trigger finger could find itself being jerked at the wrong time, and there goes the civilian.

Then the terrorists. They aren't "terrorists" in their own eyes, they are a militia, built to drive the American scum from Iraq, Afghanistan, and any other places we may have invaded. They take the sword, and fight for what they think is right.

In the end, if everyone dropped their explosives, their weapons, their bombs, and just picked up, went back home, and closed the door to this dilema. It may just find itself solved. If it continues... Spies, let 'em in. Let
'em find the leader. Then he's all ours.

duncs · Post by **duncs** » 10 Nov 2006, 14:40

a friend of mine is in the TA (officer training) and he is doing pretty well. he does (independantly from the army) about 100 push ups, 100 sit ups and a 5 mile run every day. he is pretty fit!

he was doing that before his basic training so he was in the top 3 of his training class.

apart from that... mmmm, I wouldn't say, for instance, that a soldier is any better at martial arts than a martial artist. I'd say they were worse.

how about you start bodybuilding, doing a wrestling martial art and a striking martial art?

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 10 Nov 2006, 22:16

Lifting weights doesn't teach you how to produce military-grade explosives, it doesn't teach you how to operate personal, section-level and support weapons, and it certainly doesn't teach you NBC protection, squad tactics, mine-laying, entrenching and other combat-related skills.

There is a big difference between Insurgents and Terrorists. There have been a lot of clashes not only between ethnic groups but also between native Iraqi insurgents and militias against foreign terrorists like al Q.

j5mello · Post by **j5mello** » 10 Nov 2006, 22:24

this is exactly why political discussion needs to stay the Fuck away from these boards.

And Yeah the US has fucked up. Pretty big time. We have gotten ourselves into a no win situation. We leave, the world calls us cowards, says we are abandoning the Iraqis and Iraq itself slips into civil war or anarchy. We stay our people die, maybe we make some progress and the world complains about us being imperialistic but in the end if we stay, we stay forever.

In the end (and back somewhat on point to the original topic) military personnel are caught in the crosshairs... tbh i could care less about my government. People that high up do what they deem necessary and short of counrty wide revolution not much is going change. Rather im going to support my troops. Cause in the end. They are the ones getting shot. they are the ones losing limbs and losing lives. and it sucks. All of you people who claim that americans should do this or americans should do that i have a suggestion: Get a petition together. A world wide one. get as many signatures as you can. Then send it to the UN or the President. See what it does. My bet, nothing but at least you did something rather than sitting here complaing about how everything america does is wrong or bad or XYZ. Cause in the end talk is cheap, actions cost more, but giving ones life is the ultimate price.

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 10 Nov 2006, 22:31

about 100 push ups, 100 sit ups

...! Pretty fit? I can do like... 60 in one sitting, and 40 after 2-3 mins..

When I worked out, I used to do 300-400... I'm gunna start again..

For when I become a Freshman

I hope someone tries to mess with me..

I RECCOMMEND JUJUTSU AS YOUR MARTIAL ARTS!!! Or Brazilian Jujutsu, same difference.. I know it.. My friends scoff at it, but if they do something wrong, I'll snap their arms like twigs...

I stopped a while ago, but I don't regret learning it, not even slightly...

Not to mention, I think it is the U.S. Armies official martial arts, I'll have to go look that up..

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 11 Nov 2006, 10:27

I don't think they'll teach you all that in the army. What troop would need to know all of it? Shooting is learned everywhere, so is survival but operating machineguns or anti-tank weapons is a different branch from handling explosives and mines.

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 11 Nov 2006, 12:45

Screaming flying nun-chuck judo chops are nothing compared to the various ways the Army teaches you to kill someone in unarmed combat.

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 11 Nov 2006, 17:54

Are you referring that to Jujutsu?

Jujutsu IS unarmed combat... I have learned 4 ways to break someone's arm, efficiently (As in they swing at me), 3 ways to flip them, 4 ways to pin them, and a lot more stuff.

I have only been in there for 4 months... Hate to tell ya, but Jujutsu is the hand to hand combat art...

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 12 Nov 2006, 03:45

SpikedHelmet wrote:Screaming flying nun-chuck judo chops are nothing compared to the various ways the Army teaches you to kill someone in unarmed combat.

Actually, standard enlisted infantry training doesn't really teach you "various ways to kill someone in unarmed combat"... you'll probably learn how to use a bayonet, and a combat knife, but I doubt you'll get in-depth martial arts classes. They're much more concerned about training you to use your weapon and to follow orders and work as part of your squad.

I think you have a rather blinkered version of what you'll learn in the Army, to be perfectly honest... as a standard infantryman or whatever you'll be doing, odds are you won't learn anything that you'll be able to take home and apply to the Glorious Revolution.

I mean, you're not going to learn how to blow up the CN Tower there unless you already have the knowledge to do so. Or whatever you may want to join the Army to learn how to do.

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