Absolute Annihilation 2.23

ginekolog · Post by **ginekolog** » 08 Nov 2006, 23:26

NOiZE wrote:Weasels seem to be OP nowadays :)

yes they are, why the heck do they shoot tru each other??bug? fix that and opnes is gone.

MR.D · Post by **MR.D** » 08 Nov 2006, 23:39

They shoot through eachother because they are very low to the ground, and most Defence Targets stand taller than their weapon.

Their Line of Sight is good for Angled up shots letting them shoot over eachother.

Fleas do the same thing, and alot of Ballistic(arched) shooting weapons do it too.

IMO the best balence option is to reduce their HP a bit.

Peekaboom · Post by **Peekaboom** » 09 Nov 2006, 00:27

Do people have severe cases of ADD in this thread?

Its impossible to have a discussion about any aspect of AA because the subject changes to something completely different within 5 posts.

No wonder Cadyr's updates to the mod are totally random.

DemO · Post by **DemO** » 09 Nov 2006, 01:26

Well peeka this tactic with weasels basically lays waste to all other strategy for 1v1s on flat maps as it stands, until this gets changed in some way.

If you watch the replay you see like 20 weasels take on 15 flash from cabbage and all flash die (assuming it was the daywalker vs cabbage game), leaving a few weasels. Now dont tell me scout vehicles are sposed to own light tanks in similar mass.

Peekaboom · Post by **Peekaboom** » 09 Nov 2006, 05:47

No balance issue is understandable. I was just saying that talk about AA balance and hovers lasted a milisecond with no real consensus on what to do about it, before moving to weasels of all things.

Personally, I think its pretty much impossible to balance unit x vs. unit y in TA because games are so dependant on the maps that are being played. I think more attention should be given to overall balances between classes of units. MHO.

jackalope · Post by **jackalope** » 09 Nov 2006, 05:49

regarding the weasel, I actually think it is kind of weak right now. It dies easily to air. Maybe it needs an AA missile like panther or something.

pintle · Post by **pintle** » 09 Nov 2006, 05:54

In xta zipper rushing/spamming is easily counterable with crashers/jethros, MTs and samsons etc. the tracking missile and range being a match for zipper's (weasel's) speed. Do they target ground in AA? The other easy way to combat scout spam is gunships, but as i mentioned earlier i think AA air is criminally underpowered.

hope that is in some way helpful

Ishach · Post by **Ishach** » 09 Nov 2006, 05:56

Give weasels an LLT on each wheel

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 09 Nov 2006, 05:59

I brought the Weasel issue to Caydr's forum.

jackalope · Post by **jackalope** » 09 Nov 2006, 07:21

Ishach wrote:Give weasels an LLT on each wheel

also stealth+cloak+capture

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 09 Nov 2006, 07:57

pintle wrote:In xta zipper rushing/spamming is easily counterable with crashers/jethros, MTs and samsons etc. the tracking missile and range being a match for zipper's (weasel's) speed. Do they target ground in AA? The other easy way to combat scout spam is gunships, but as i mentioned earlier i think AA air is criminally underpowered.

hope that is in some way helpful

In AA, anti-air units are limited to air combat only, hence the lower power of air. You have to build completely different structures to fight air, so individual units are weakened to compensate.

ginekolog · Post by **ginekolog** » 09 Nov 2006, 08:19

well maybe we should leave weasel as it is.

I only pick big powerfull core now because of their weakest unit - weasel. Too bad that core's might rellay on it but shiet happenzs.

ps: joking.. nerf dps a bit but make core viable opponent.

Ishach · Post by **Ishach** » 09 Nov 2006, 09:57

The way games play out is pretty interesting now, weasels need alot of micro and it makes things a bit more intense. Though I think it should be in a different mod

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 09 Nov 2006, 10:00

Peekaboom wrote:Do people have severe cases of ADD in this thread?

Its impossible to have a discussion about any aspect of AA because the subject changes to something completely different within 5 posts.

No wonder Cadyr's updates to the mod are totally random.

I agree, and for the 6th time, PLEASE Caydr MOVE THIS TO YOUR OWN FORUMS, so everything gets a bit more organised..

ginekolog · Post by **ginekolog** » 09 Nov 2006, 11:55

it would be much better to open thread here, good community and noones wants to be in 1000 froums:

AA balance discusion only - speedmetalers and non veterans plz don't post

The person that opens this thread could also edit first post every day to put up new issues on top

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 09 Nov 2006, 12:00

ginekolog wrote:it would be much better to open thread here, good community and noones wants to be in 1000 froums:

it's not 1000, it's 1 more.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 09 Nov 2006, 12:14

it would be much better to open thread here, good community and noones wants to be in 1000 froums:

AA balance discusion only - speedmetalers and non veterans plz don't post

The person that opens this thread could also edit first post every day to put up new issues on top

riiiight. You read this thread lately...???x.x

ginekolog · Post by **ginekolog** » 09 Nov 2006, 12:51

yep, 50% spam, 30% noobs, 20% good posts.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 09 Nov 2006, 16:20

I've seen alot of balance discussion in my time as a gamer, one thing I come to realize, it's really never any use to a game developer.

Players are often good for finding problems, but they are a largely quite useless force when it comes to finding good ways to fix those problems.

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Absolute Annihilation 2.23