*force chokes borg queen*
pwned
Picture Fight!
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1v0ry_k1ng
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This has become yet another Star Wars vs Star Trek debate.
AF, you have forgotten three things.
First, the X-wing fighter, piloted by Luke Skywalker, flew along the equatoral trench of the DS, and Luke used The Force to predict the precise time to fire a torpedo that made a 90 degree turn in a fraction of a second in order to go into the vent 2m in diameter. Can a borg cube do that?
Second, the DS blew up an entire planet of about the same size of Earth, which is about 13000km in diameter. You should compare the borg cube with Alderaan (or Earth), not the DS.
AF, you have forgotten three things.
First, the X-wing fighter, piloted by Luke Skywalker, flew along the equatoral trench of the DS, and Luke used The Force to predict the precise time to fire a torpedo that made a 90 degree turn in a fraction of a second in order to go into the vent 2m in diameter. Can a borg cube do that?
Second, the DS blew up an entire planet of about the same size of Earth, which is about 13000km in diameter. You should compare the borg cube with Alderaan (or Earth), not the DS.
Third, the superlaser isn't the only weapon it has. There are some 10000 turbolasers on its surface, and are PERFECT for destroying such a large ship.AF wrote:A big laser beam isnt how you defeat borg
And all it can do is run away?AF wrote:the tactical cube could have travelled several light years by the time the beam actually fired
Awesome bwansy, not only was it not a technical discussion of Star Trek, and Star Wars technology and how they would fare against eachother, but it was somewhat light hearted, and comical, if not having the borg over used. NOW you had to go and ruin it and all the stupid Star Trek, and Star Wars fanboys will show up and start debating turbo lasers this, and phasers that..
MEH... You people failed to realize how a picture fight works anyways.. The purpose is to find a picture that Trumps/beats the earlier picture via some easily known method or situation, Ie in response to spiked helmets post of george bush, someone should have posted a picture of a pretzel.. Usually you avoid lengthy Roleplaying stories behind your images to explain how they would win.. IF you have to do that you might need to get a better picture..
MEH... You people failed to realize how a picture fight works anyways.. The purpose is to find a picture that Trumps/beats the earlier picture via some easily known method or situation, Ie in response to spiked helmets post of george bush, someone should have posted a picture of a pretzel.. Usually you avoid lengthy Roleplaying stories behind your images to explain how they would win.. IF you have to do that you might need to get a better picture..
bwansy obviously knows nothign about borg, or how planets are meant to explode. When you blow up a planet you destroy only the core so it collapses in on itself then explodes.
And I'm aware fo the antiship armaments of a Deathstar, adn I'm tellign you the first ten shots will destroy say 10-20% of the cube but then the rest will do nothign for the borg will have adapted. The deathstar will then spend a minute gettign reayd to fire at full power, for which the borg destroy the tributary beam generators and the 4 backups using particle and cutting beams, and the paralyzing torpedos. Should the cube calculate that it cannot do this in tiem to avert the firing sequence, it will move out of tis firing arc and beam drones aboard at key locations before starting an assult. I know there could be as many as a million strong crew, but borg are resiliant and once the first drone adapts to their weaponsfire they're buggered as the drones will be immune to anything that can be thrown at them save heavy weaponsfire from walkers by which time they'll control all the key systems anyway and they'll just beam the walkers out into space. All the while the number of drones increasing as the crew is assimilated.
However there's nothing stopping the borg from beaming drones onto the deathstars surface and making them walk down the ventillation shaft to destroy the reactor, or using their antishield weapons against the vents to disable the defences preventing direct assault.
Also there's nothing stopping the borg using the same method skywalker used, afterall skywalker had the force behind him but the borg have a hive mind and the processing power of hundreds of trillions of borg drones, and the collective knowledge of thousands of races, which should also be enough to take over the deathstar computer in seconds considering that R2D2 could control systems with no authentification which means anydrone can simply access systems via the same method.
Should by some mircle the Deathstar still manages to get into a position where it can destroy the cube, the cube will foresee it and develop a counterplan for which there are many, for example to disable the firign sequence it has to kill one fo the 8 teams controlling the seperate tributary beam weapons composed of 14 people, simply transporting a mass of nanoprobes into the atmosphere at these points should incapacitate the workers and leave them transforming into drones and then trying to assimilate others. Or, the borg could detonate multineutronic mines near to the deathstar causing immense damage, resulting in nuclear rector explosions in some of the outer zones of the deathstar.
The cube could also ram the deathstar to gain access to its innards, despite getting immense damage to part of the cube, which would not disable the cube and its decentralized multiple system design. The cube could then move back and start firing at the internal reactor cooling shafts through the garbled mass of cube and reactor damage left after it moved back out.
Also the cube can assimilate ships docked with the deathstar or in its docking bays, and it can also launch more borg ships from its internal docking bays. An armoured borg sphere could move to fast to be targetted by the deathstars weapons, and could get very close to the deathstar and inflict major damage while being too close to be fired upon.
Once the deathstar has fired its weapon and missed it would take a full day to be able to fire again according to the starwars doctrine. And the scaled down bursts wouldnt be enough to destroy the cube despite the scaled down blasts from the DS 2 taking a minute to refire. And since the primary weapon at full blast would be the only weapon the borg wwould have an issue with, it's a 1 shot affair.
And even if the cube is hit by the primary weapon, it can still launch the smaller internal ships, fragment into multiple pieces to avoid total distruction, bam drones aboard the deathstar, detonate itself in such a massive explosion to cause heavy damage to the deathstar, target the assembly during its weakest phase cusing a chain reaction destroying the deathstar, or devise a strategy for the cube to survive the impact considering the huge wealth of knowledge and technology available.
And failing all of that, it could easily launch a sphere that then goes back in time and destroys the Deathstars construction systems while they're being built.
Simply put, the technology of the star trek universe would pwn Starwars technology because of the nature of the two. In starwars the emphasis is on shoot and it goes boom, in startrek shoot and it hits a shield.
Another cube shows up an assimilates the lemmings who then invade corruscant and destroy all the imperial storm troopers and infrastructure. The other cube invovled in the deathstar explosion repairs itself and helps assimilate corruscant.
And I'm aware fo the antiship armaments of a Deathstar, adn I'm tellign you the first ten shots will destroy say 10-20% of the cube but then the rest will do nothign for the borg will have adapted. The deathstar will then spend a minute gettign reayd to fire at full power, for which the borg destroy the tributary beam generators and the 4 backups using particle and cutting beams, and the paralyzing torpedos. Should the cube calculate that it cannot do this in tiem to avert the firing sequence, it will move out of tis firing arc and beam drones aboard at key locations before starting an assult. I know there could be as many as a million strong crew, but borg are resiliant and once the first drone adapts to their weaponsfire they're buggered as the drones will be immune to anything that can be thrown at them save heavy weaponsfire from walkers by which time they'll control all the key systems anyway and they'll just beam the walkers out into space. All the while the number of drones increasing as the crew is assimilated.
However there's nothing stopping the borg from beaming drones onto the deathstars surface and making them walk down the ventillation shaft to destroy the reactor, or using their antishield weapons against the vents to disable the defences preventing direct assault.
Also there's nothing stopping the borg using the same method skywalker used, afterall skywalker had the force behind him but the borg have a hive mind and the processing power of hundreds of trillions of borg drones, and the collective knowledge of thousands of races, which should also be enough to take over the deathstar computer in seconds considering that R2D2 could control systems with no authentification which means anydrone can simply access systems via the same method.
Should by some mircle the Deathstar still manages to get into a position where it can destroy the cube, the cube will foresee it and develop a counterplan for which there are many, for example to disable the firign sequence it has to kill one fo the 8 teams controlling the seperate tributary beam weapons composed of 14 people, simply transporting a mass of nanoprobes into the atmosphere at these points should incapacitate the workers and leave them transforming into drones and then trying to assimilate others. Or, the borg could detonate multineutronic mines near to the deathstar causing immense damage, resulting in nuclear rector explosions in some of the outer zones of the deathstar.
The cube could also ram the deathstar to gain access to its innards, despite getting immense damage to part of the cube, which would not disable the cube and its decentralized multiple system design. The cube could then move back and start firing at the internal reactor cooling shafts through the garbled mass of cube and reactor damage left after it moved back out.
Also the cube can assimilate ships docked with the deathstar or in its docking bays, and it can also launch more borg ships from its internal docking bays. An armoured borg sphere could move to fast to be targetted by the deathstars weapons, and could get very close to the deathstar and inflict major damage while being too close to be fired upon.
Once the deathstar has fired its weapon and missed it would take a full day to be able to fire again according to the starwars doctrine. And the scaled down bursts wouldnt be enough to destroy the cube despite the scaled down blasts from the DS 2 taking a minute to refire. And since the primary weapon at full blast would be the only weapon the borg wwould have an issue with, it's a 1 shot affair.
And even if the cube is hit by the primary weapon, it can still launch the smaller internal ships, fragment into multiple pieces to avoid total distruction, bam drones aboard the deathstar, detonate itself in such a massive explosion to cause heavy damage to the deathstar, target the assembly during its weakest phase cusing a chain reaction destroying the deathstar, or devise a strategy for the cube to survive the impact considering the huge wealth of knowledge and technology available.
And failing all of that, it could easily launch a sphere that then goes back in time and destroys the Deathstars construction systems while they're being built.
Simply put, the technology of the star trek universe would pwn Starwars technology because of the nature of the two. In starwars the emphasis is on shoot and it goes boom, in startrek shoot and it hits a shield.
Another cube shows up an assimilates the lemmings who then invade corruscant and destroy all the imperial storm troopers and infrastructure. The other cube invovled in the deathstar explosion repairs itself and helps assimilate corruscant.
I knew this would happen..
AF your wrong, neither would win, because your fictional EPENIS universes are FICTIONAL, their technology is not based even remotely on actual physics and just throws around buzzwords like laser, and photon.. the whole thing is nonsense, and thusly neither universe can win..
THE BORG are the STUPIDIST, most RETARDED, race yet invented by a sci fi writer.. OOH lets make ustoppable space zombies.. Pfft whatever.. there are so many holes in the Borg Unstoppableness that makes it a wonder to me how they manage to get anywhere...
AF your wrong, neither would win, because your fictional EPENIS universes are FICTIONAL, their technology is not based even remotely on actual physics and just throws around buzzwords like laser, and photon.. the whole thing is nonsense, and thusly neither universe can win..
THE BORG are the STUPIDIST, most RETARDED, race yet invented by a sci fi writer.. OOH lets make ustoppable space zombies.. Pfft whatever.. there are so many holes in the Borg Unstoppableness that makes it a wonder to me how they manage to get anywhere...
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Deathblane
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Yay lemmings!!! The ever-reproducing furball from hell!!!
EDIT: AF, I may know a little about the Borg, but you don't show the tiniest bit of knowledge of the strengths and weakness of both sides either. Anyway, I am not going to argue anymore. Just that whenever I see some mindless and pointless arguements written by fanboys I feel obligated to rebut. Maybe this method of quenching flame wars doesn't work here.
EDIT: AF, I may know a little about the Borg, but you don't show the tiniest bit of knowledge of the strengths and weakness of both sides either. Anyway, I am not going to argue anymore. Just that whenever I see some mindless and pointless arguements written by fanboys I feel obligated to rebut. Maybe this method of quenching flame wars doesn't work here.
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SpikedHelmet
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Unfortunately, your attempts to refute the superiority of the Borg over your weak, divided Empire are futile.
"I am Palpatine of Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your friends on the Endor moon are doomed!"
With Borg-enhanced Force Power, Palpatine of Borg makes quick work of small laser-eyed lemmings!
MWAHAHAH I HAVE CONQUERED BOTH OF YOU STAR WARS NERDS AND TREKKIES BY COMBINING YOUR TWO UNIVERSES INTO ONE ALL-POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE BEING.
(PS: OMFG isn't that photoshopping SWEET?! It took me like 5 minutes to do that!)
"I am Palpatine of Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your friends on the Endor moon are doomed!"
With Borg-enhanced Force Power, Palpatine of Borg makes quick work of small laser-eyed lemmings!
MWAHAHAH I HAVE CONQUERED BOTH OF YOU STAR WARS NERDS AND TREKKIES BY COMBINING YOUR TWO UNIVERSES INTO ONE ALL-POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE BEING.
(PS: OMFG isn't that photoshopping SWEET?! It took me like 5 minutes to do that!)
Sadly, as seemingly-unstoppable as the Borg are, they still are owned by the Stormtrooper effect, beacuse these people ruin them every time it comes to fighting, adaptibility and all:
I know AF will make a long post about how the borg could kill the crew of TNG, but hey, the Borg are just no match for character shields. Shucks, eh?
I know AF will make a long post about how the borg could kill the crew of TNG, but hey, the Borg are just no match for character shields. Shucks, eh?
Oh my motherfucking god.AF wrote:bwansy obviously knows nothign about borg, or how planets are meant to explode. When you blow up a planet you destroy only the core so it collapses in on itself then explodes.
And I'm aware fo the antiship armaments of a Deathstar, adn I'm tellign you the first ten shots will destroy say 10-20% of the cube but then the rest will do nothign for the borg will have adapted. The deathstar will then spend a minute gettign reayd to fire at full power, for which the borg destroy the tributary beam generators and the 4 backups using particle and cutting beams, and the paralyzing torpedos. Should the cube calculate that it cannot do this in tiem to avert the firing sequence, it will move out of tis firing arc and beam drones aboard at key locations before starting an assult. I know there could be as many as a million strong crew, but borg are resiliant and once the first drone adapts to their weaponsfire they're buggered as the drones will be immune to anything that can be thrown at them save heavy weaponsfire from walkers by which time they'll control all the key systems anyway and they'll just beam the walkers out into space. All the while the number of drones increasing as the crew is assimilated.
However there's nothing stopping the borg from beaming drones onto the deathstars surface and making them walk down the ventillation shaft to destroy the reactor, or using their antishield weapons against the vents to disable the defences preventing direct assault.
Also there's nothing stopping the borg using the same method skywalker used, afterall skywalker had the force behind him but the borg have a hive mind and the processing power of hundreds of trillions of borg drones, and the collective knowledge of thousands of races, which should also be enough to take over the deathstar computer in seconds considering that R2D2 could control systems with no authentification which means anydrone can simply access systems via the same method.
Should by some mircle the Deathstar still manages to get into a position where it can destroy the cube, the cube will foresee it and develop a counterplan for which there are many, for example to disable the firign sequence it has to kill one fo the 8 teams controlling the seperate tributary beam weapons composed of 14 people, simply transporting a mass of nanoprobes into the atmosphere at these points should incapacitate the workers and leave them transforming into drones and then trying to assimilate others. Or, the borg could detonate multineutronic mines near to the deathstar causing immense damage, resulting in nuclear rector explosions in some of the outer zones of the deathstar.
The cube could also ram the deathstar to gain access to its innards, despite getting immense damage to part of the cube, which would not disable the cube and its decentralized multiple system design. The cube could then move back and start firing at the internal reactor cooling shafts through the garbled mass of cube and reactor damage left after it moved back out.
Also the cube can assimilate ships docked with the deathstar or in its docking bays, and it can also launch more borg ships from its internal docking bays. An armoured borg sphere could move to fast to be targetted by the deathstars weapons, and could get very close to the deathstar and inflict major damage while being too close to be fired upon.
Once the deathstar has fired its weapon and missed it would take a full day to be able to fire again according to the starwars doctrine. And the scaled down bursts wouldnt be enough to destroy the cube despite the scaled down blasts from the DS 2 taking a minute to refire. And since the primary weapon at full blast would be the only weapon the borg wwould have an issue with, it's a 1 shot affair.
And even if the cube is hit by the primary weapon, it can still launch the smaller internal ships, fragment into multiple pieces to avoid total distruction, bam drones aboard the deathstar, detonate itself in such a massive explosion to cause heavy damage to the deathstar, target the assembly during its weakest phase cusing a chain reaction destroying the deathstar, or devise a strategy for the cube to survive the impact considering the huge wealth of knowledge and technology available.
And failing all of that, it could easily launch a sphere that then goes back in time and destroys the Deathstars construction systems while they're being built.
Simply put, the technology of the star trek universe would pwn Starwars technology because of the nature of the two. In starwars the emphasis is on shoot and it goes boom, in startrek shoot and it hits a shield.
Another cube shows up an assimilates the lemmings who then invade corruscant and destroy all the imperial storm troopers and infrastructure. The other cube invovled in the deathstar explosion repairs itself and helps assimilate corruscant.
