why certain people win on comet

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 10 Oct 2006, 17:28

In a 2v2 its 20-21 top vs 16-18 bottom.

The less players the more equilibrated it gets, alltough the top advantage doesn't just dissapear.

4v4 is the pinnacle of bottom disatvantage i think.

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 10 Oct 2006, 18:17

raneti wrote:In a 2v2 its 20-21 top vs 16-18 bottom.

=even

It depends on who expands faster.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 10 Oct 2006, 21:01

I watched a 1v1 top lost because it didn't use its metal thats all, it had 1.5 more than bottom and a full store of it :)

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 10 Oct 2006, 21:23

raneti wrote:I watched a 1v1 top lost because it didn't use its metal thats all, it had 1.5 more than bottom and a full store of it :)

Top was playing like a noob...

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 10 Oct 2006, 21:40

raneti wrote:I watched a 1v1 top lost because it didn't use its metal thats all, it had 1.5 more than bottom and a full store of it :)

Ok 1v1 and you can have top?

I still think you won't live for 20min <_<.

edit: What matter most is how close are first 5-6 mexes. After those it doesnt matter much.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 11 Oct 2006, 02:34

lol i dont' have to prove anything, after all theres nothing brainy about gator mobs, c u in game nevertheless

hrmph · Post by **hrmph** » 11 Oct 2006, 02:52

Worry not - For Noize has fixed the problem! Expect results soon. *maniacal laughter*

danzel · Post by **danzel** » 11 Oct 2006, 07:36

We already had SpeedComet to fix these issues

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 11 Oct 2006, 09:44

raneti wrote:lol i dont' have to prove anything, after all theres nothing brainy about gator mobs, c u in game nevertheless

I don't see what gator spam has with it, you can spam them aswell and since you say you will get more metal you should spam me more and beat me. So when you are online?

edit: and after it I'll challenge you in chess, if you want brainy game ^^.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 11 Oct 2006, 21:31

lol @ hellspawn, i am on most of the time americans are online, but my schedual varies as well

and to put it straight once again for the x-th time(some1 who keeps track count) this post is about the thruth of this situation not some contest or poll

you see people, my trouble begins when i'm discussins something i'm not discussind :) ;when i state something its generally the truth wich is not open to debate, its a fact and you cannot argue against facts. When its not the truth then i'm wrong wich visibly never happens since nobody can backup they affirmations with fact and proof or through experiment thus proving me wrong. This pattern instead yelds out the animal in man with its gut audacity and disrespect for reason. This is just another truth.
This should also be a lesson i learned very early. Truth is but doesn't seem a better policy and as proof i bring all the replies to my posts wich are not backed up in any school of tought other that of a sniveling worm. You can further extend this thruth into everyday life fact, from the lowest beggar to the highest standing politician. My reason of the post is the truth.
It never ceases to amaze me how tough truth manages to bring out the worms beneath every rock and from the insides of rotten apples. This is not a philosophical or psichological forum and i don't want to further reveal the reality. "oh, its just a game" played by real people...

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 11 Oct 2006, 21:41

The problem is your facts are incorrect and everything else build on those facts fails then.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 11 Oct 2006, 21:56

Winning isn't all about equal metal distribution. And think of it, sometimes you lose and sometimes the others win, no matter wether it's been a "fair" game or not. I'd say you should play chess if you want 100% equality. No wait white moves first, that's no equality. Perhaps racism even.

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 11 Oct 2006, 22:05

rattle wrote:I'd say you should play chess if you want 100% equality.

or Warcraft II...oh, wait, the spells are different.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 11 Oct 2006, 22:23

hellspawn:

The problem is your facts are incorrect and everything else build on those facts fails then.

saying it so doesn't prove it true lol

myslef earlier:

When its not the truth then i'm wrong wich visibly never happens since nobody can backup they affirmations with fact and proof or through experiment thus proving me wrong.

Winning isn't all about equal metal distribution.

Unfortunately it is about metal distribution and it is about science, you can play a perfect game and lose if the odds are against you.

I'd say you should play chess if you want 100% equality. No wait white moves first, that's no equality. Perhaps racism even.

You got out of line lols (but as i said it two posts up from yours and proven it long ago, this comes as no surprise even if i don't know you; there are such things are fundamental rules wich apply to all people be it they like it or not).

Since your not going to respond truthfully as many before you i'll answer for you. Question: why don't you ask in every game you play to get handicaped? Answer: personal gain; politics. After all why would I go against my personal gain? Who would hold me against my personal "will"? God? You got to be kidding!

Now personally i think there are far better reasons than God but thats not the point. Besides fear worked for ages on man :)
* here is where i get linched by klu-klux-clan or something :D

And cut the chess stuff. I doubt you guys know anything about what it takes to play chess. I don't like chess in the same way i don't like starcraft from a long time ago. To play these games you don't need to think much. You just need to learn every move like in school.
That is if you want to win. If you don't, you can play them anyway, and lose. Thats why there are far better chess AIs than Spring AIs

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 11 Oct 2006, 22:47

Maybe you should stop assuming what other people might say, what they might be thinking or if they are going to answer truthfully or not. You are not making friends that way but you probably know that already.

Alright. Yes I know how to play chess but I'm playing it for the fun of it and not to be the best. What fun is it to be winner all the times if you don't have anyone left to play against? Right, a chess AI. Like, what ever.

Spring isn't some sort of sience with only one way to win. I've seen people with equal skill and the upperhand was never gained because of unfair metal distribution, it may have been a factor but it's not a major factor. Does it increase the odds of winning? Mathematically yes. But we're no mathematicians are we. And life doesn't work like that you know.

PS: I don't believe in god. And please cut down on the bullshit a bit.

Tim-the-maniac · Post by **Tim-the-maniac** » 11 Oct 2006, 23:36

hmm.. why do some people loose on comet catcher??
because some people suck. ie you

ive played you like 3 times now? and ive had to kick you for not shutting up about how I cheat all the time, fix the teams and make you start in shitty places.

at least come up with some original excuses for loosing

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 11 Oct 2006, 23:55

Lawl

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 12 Oct 2006, 00:06

Right, a chess AI. Like, what ever.

what, you never played chess vs a computer?

There are chess AI's out there that only the best can beat and ultimately today that no1 can beat(they are made specifically to win not to entertain). BTW i called it an AI because its programmed by humans. The AI is as good as its program. The chess AI has been developed for many many years... no wonder is probably the best game AI out there.

Anyway as the title suggests this is also to beat the ego of certain people who relly on this kind of information to win and brag about beeing the best.

Now the information is more or less public. +1llt/defender/radar/jammer/ combo for me

As for equal skill and all that jazz i play to win, i mean who plays to lose? If two players skills represent doing stuff at random w/o much tought yes they skills are the same and can be compared with an AI wich can be very easely made to behave like a veteran player. TA has what? 10 years? Its AI does better than the ones available at the moment.

If you got 6 mexes each +1/s and the enemy has 12 mexes each +1/s then in a minute he'll have an extra unit. In an hour he'll have nukes and you won't be even t2 or alive for that matter. I said it before theres really nothing brainy about building mobs.

As for friends if i have to chose between friends and truth i choose truth. Friendship can only exist only between virtuous people wich is not the case in our society. These so called friends are hipocrites adn will turn on you. Even worse alltough no1 recognizes this threat there is a downwards tendency in wich entourage forms the individual. I don't need friends who can't tell fact from lie even worse lie in my face and hate the thruth. There is even a saying : "God save me from my friends, i will save my self from my enemy" lol or "Tell me who you walk with and i'll tell you who you are" etc. Why in hell would i consider vulgar people my friends. Here you can see i consider too my personal interest, but an interest wich is directed towards progress not regress. Again, virtuous people or at least people with good principles and morality are natural friends; you don't make friends... Friends that are made never work towards your health because you make friends with whom you shouldnt' out of ignorance. People who make friends consider to have enemies in the first place wich constitutes a psihological disorder. And last but not least people who hate the truth and stand against it don't make friends. Thank godness there aren't as many killers as haters in this world, humanity wouldn't see another day :)

Oh and if you think you can swim in mediocrity be my guest, i rather not swim in those waters if that is the price of friendship. The only smart people are good people. Not one stupid individual is ever good for or at anything other than out of chance nor he holds good toughts for any1.

What fun is it to be winner all the times if you don't have anyone left to play against?

If theres one better than me all the better some1 from wich i can learn. Do you want to lose for fun? Strange, tell me why if you don't want me to tell it :) I'm not afraid to progress stepping on peoples toes if they can't keep their feet in place. I consider fun making all this public giving a chance to people with time lacking or disposition lacking. I don't give a heck about the right of people who played something for long and think they should win just because of it, but no, their experience consist in such advantages like in the chart. We'll when i can see this i make it fair :) I'm surprised no1 has written a strategy guide for this game yet. All i saw is a cute movie in wich teh cutest thing is an exploit. And i can tell why no1 has written a good guide: people don't want their "glorious secrets"

beeing read by the rest of the people wich they see as noobs lol.

And life doesn't work like that you know.

Oh but i do, you learn so much more with hunger in your belly and blood in your mouth. Ever knew the taste of blood in your mouth? No? You should try it. Then you'll understand life a lot better.

Bullshit? nah its called philosophy or even better fact.

raneti · Post by **raneti** » 12 Oct 2006, 00:08

hmm.. why do some people loose on comet catcher??
because some people suck. ie you

ive played you like 3 times now? and ive had to kick you for not shutting up about how I cheat all the time, fix the teams and make you start in shitty places.

at least come up with some original excuses for loosing

in your reality yes i suck, i am stupid, a noob
fortunately that reality includes only you and its called an illusion

people that laugh with you actually laugh at you

or pehaps not?

gosh i feel like daffy duck: "Obviously, i am dealing with inferior mentalities"

don't get me wrong i didn't raise my self as there was nothign to learn from you, i just stood firm while you regressed in my eyes back to the mud puddle

and i predicted you will make a fool of yourself ultimately not only beeing a noob but having to boot me just because you run out of brain power (pwa-ha-ha) not because i said anything wrong

try speaking in more detail tough or people will think you are descending from the country side where you raised chickens

i'm not accusing you of cheating i'm telling the world how tN wins its battles, like: 2tNv1, fixed battle, fixed teams lol who does that? even you know that alltough you are in denial

God, how did tN ever come to be???

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 12 Oct 2006, 00:15

I dislike this map, having watched and participated in the most boring and exciting games of my Spring career on it. It's irrelevant. Tapped out. People need to stop holding it up as a model of a great map or good play, and other people need to stop complaining about the details. You all just need to play the many other, different maps out there.

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why certain people win on comet