War Evolution 1.7

Mecha Sonic · Post by **Mecha Sonic** » 17 Aug 2006, 20:33

Yeah Foxo, what are you thinkin? >_>

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 18 Aug 2006, 20:38

OK, feedback time.

Pyros should have the cost of their cloaking cost increased by 10-20 energy.

Engineers needs higher mass.

Wargods and pyros should have their regen decreased, while the workertime of the engineer should be increased. The buildtime of the Cutter should also be increased to balance this out.

Foxomaniac · Post by **Foxomaniac** » 18 Aug 2006, 20:48

Aun wrote:OK, feedback time.

Pyros should have the cost of their cloaking cost increased by 10-20 energy.

Engineers needs higher mass.

Wargods and pyros should have their regen decreased, while the workertime of the engineer should be increased. The buildtime of the Cutter should also be increased to balance this out.

1st : Not bad - I originally set it to 50 - giving the pyro a total time of 44 seconds of hiding.

2nd : I agree.

3rd : Yes and no.... - If you put this then WE will turn into a squad-based DM mod w/ teamwork being a prime focus - I say we leave that to a variant once WE is complete, Eh?

As for buildtime - I agree - makes repairing Friendly bots faster but... wouldn't it induce the old "repair cutter to give it invnicibilty" thing back again?

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Aun · Post by **Aun** » 18 Aug 2006, 21:24

Urgh, fair point. Raised turret health with mechs doing extra damage to turrets?

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » 18 Aug 2006, 22:04

point 1 and 2 are very good. Will be included.

Regeneration rate is fine in my eyes. Increasing Workertime would make engis too usefull (we had this in an ealier version where they could make turrets invincible).

Also i think that the turrets are very weak like they are now - or say shouldnt be nerved more.

krogothe · Post by **krogothe** » 18 Aug 2006, 23:21

Bots need their buildtime cut by 30% so repair works for them without turret problems.
Cloaking should drain more E than what is produced while standing still as well.
stockpileable weapons should either drain more E to build or none, since their cost seems to have no effect on the wargod and engie while the pyro cant cloak properly while building them.
The armor bonus should give a tad more armor (25-30%) so it is as useful as the other upgrades
The upgrades should be a bit more spaced out in XP, getting around 0.5-0.6 XP means you got them all and after that very little improvement is seen, taking away from the fun factor, maybe something like this:
0.10
0.25
0.40
0.55
0.75
1.00
so that you dont get all upgrades every game. Or at least getting maybe a little armor upgrade every 0.10 xp instead of one lump sum one...

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 18 Aug 2006, 23:26

Whoa, most bots don't survive past .30 experience!

The slow armour gains ounds interesting though, models, textures and scripts would have to be redone if new armour graphics were to be added though...

krogothe · Post by **krogothe** » 19 Aug 2006, 00:57

Aun wrote:Whoa, most bots don't survive past .30 experience!

But i do and i get bored past 0.60

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 19 Aug 2006, 02:03

Indeed, it's almost impossible to kill anything beyond that. Especially when you're playing with repsawn.

In the first test game (in WE1.0) I killed about 30 other Wargods with a single >1.0 Wargod.

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 19 Aug 2006, 03:10

"respawn"?

CompWiz · Post by **CompWiz** » 19 Aug 2006, 04:33

FizWizz wrote:"respawn"?

how?!!!? i must know

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » 19 Aug 2006, 05:02

hm it seems that most of you should prove some files before posting

1. Levels are gained at 0.06, 0.15, 0.30, 0.50, 0.80, 1.20 so its already like you want.

2. Armour gives you a bonus of 20%.
A normal weapon gives you about 40dps more. Your standard dps (only the 2 long range weapons) do about 150dps, so its 26% more damage. Close combat weapons do at least 200dps, so than an extra weapon does exactly 20% more damage (flamers do even more). I think armour is nearly equal especially because it needs no energy, no range and is active everytime (weapons need to be turned towards the enemy).

to the cloaking.. i already said that this will be made.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 19 Aug 2006, 11:59

Respawn - when you're dead do the following:

Have the host to enable .cheat mode

.team <your teamnumber>

.give wargod/blackknight/werewolf while the cursor is at your starting loaction (would be recommended).

Ignore the ending dialogue and move it out of view.

Have fun.

Dr.InfernO · Post by **Dr.InfernO** » 19 Aug 2006, 12:45

something like a coop would be great. players fighting together against thousands of wild AKs.

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » 19 Aug 2006, 12:55

Dr.InfernO wrote:something like a coop would be great. players fighting together against thousands of wild AKs.

http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6485

actually i tried such a version, but the AI crashes the game at start

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 19 Aug 2006, 15:03

Optimus Prime wrote:
Dr.InfernO wrote:something like a coop would be great. players fighting together against thousands of wild AKs.
http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6485

actually i tried such a version, but the AI crashes the game at start

which AI did you try using? (and did you give them a 'commander'?)

this sounds like one helluva good gamemode - give the AI something they can build for free and a very tough com

Guessmyname · Post by **Guessmyname** » 19 Aug 2006, 15:45

Played it earlier. Was fun!

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » 19 Aug 2006, 18:16

unpossible wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
Dr.InfernO wrote:something like a coop would be great. players fighting together against thousands of wild AKs.
http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6485

actually i tried such a version, but the AI crashes the game at start
which AI did you try using? (and did you give them a 'commander'?)

this sounds like one helluva good gamemode - give the AI something they can build for free and a very tough com

i tried aai. I wanted to make a con vehicle of arm a commander. Dont know whats wrong.

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 19 Aug 2006, 18:18

Aun wrote:Engineers needs higher mass.

Definitely...When they get hit by assrockets they go flying across the screen.

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » 20 Aug 2006, 21:58

some eye candy:
Name: Stormlord, Class: Artillery/Minelayer

also the changelog for the NOT YET uploaded next version, so that people dont post 10 times to increase the cloaking costs.

- 1.5b: - increased mass of werewolf to 680 (from 620)
- buildtimes changed so that each bot repairs HP with the same speed (before it was that wargod had the same buildtime as werewolf but much more HP)
- increased cloakcosts of black knight to 30/50 (before it was 20/40)
- increased velocity of nuclear missiles but also increased flight height
- increased speed and acceleration of black knight: 3.4 speed and 0.05 acceleration (before 3.2 and 0.04)
- decreased impulsefactor of rocketpacks to 6 (from 7) but increased accuracy (wobble is now 5200 instead of 6000)
- decreased damage of a single rocket to 200 (from 300) cause they are more accurate now
- increased impulsefactor of impulse gun to 11 (from 10)

remember: 1.5b is not yet uploaded (i plan to upload it with the next mech, but that can need a full week - depends on my motivation).

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