Unit properties
- Polygon count
Model size
Footprint size
Speed
Max Damage
- Max number of functions
Threads
max number vars
what functions do/don't work
Breaking the Engine
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Breaking the Engine
Just thinking it might be a good idea to start establishing limits and guidlines as to the maximum possible values for unit poly maxes based on their cost, unit size maxes, speeds, etc so we can know exactly how far we can push this new engine. The biggest ones i can think of are
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There is still a lot that is floating around. This engine isn't like an engine built by a developer; meaning that it can change (for the better). However, finding the limits of the current engine would be interesting, but its really more theorycraft than anything.
For polycounts, your best bet would be to turn the gfx to a respectable default and make a script that creates X numbers of units on the map. Then, you can up the polycount of the particular unit you placed everywhere on the map. Increment it until it becomes unbearable, and there is your upper limit.
For polycounts, your best bet would be to turn the gfx to a respectable default and make a script that creates X numbers of units on the map. Then, you can up the polycount of the particular unit you placed everywhere on the map. Increment it until it becomes unbearable, and there is your upper limit.
I suspect it either varies depending on the hardware the player has, or is nearly unlimited and not an issue compared to TA.
Having charts showing FPS on a diff machines / diff poly count board could already be started however to fix ideas. I guess we'd need to agree on a given script, and a given camera position, to be abel to draw comparaison.
Having charts showing FPS on a diff machines / diff poly count board could already be started however to fix ideas. I guess we'd need to agree on a given script, and a given camera position, to be abel to draw comparaison.
Yep, the trick is always trying to standardize it. It would also be nice to be able to see an FPS hud somewhere on the screen, since that would help with testing quite a bit.zwzsg wrote: Having charts showing FPS on a diff machines / diff poly count board could already be started however to fix ideas. I guess we'd need to agree on a given script, and a given camera position, to be abel to draw comparaison.
However, if you have the minimum requirement computer test the game, that is what the true limit on the number of poly's is. You just have to find someone with the "minimum" specs to do the test for ya. =)
http://mods.moddb.com/gallery/image/25447/
as you can see it can handle my stuff well enough...
let see face counts:
gouf custom: 633
gelgoodg(red sheilds): 408
zakuII(machinegun) :469
zakuII(rl) :471
Dom: 421
What i can count:
8 gelgoogs
15 doms
mixed gouf customs and zakuIIs.
that is alot of polies and spring handled it well.
as you can see it can handle my stuff well enough...
let see face counts:
gouf custom: 633
gelgoodg(red sheilds): 408
zakuII(machinegun) :469
zakuII(rl) :471
Dom: 421
What i can count:
8 gelgoogs
15 doms
mixed gouf customs and zakuIIs.
that is alot of polies and spring handled it well.
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GrOuNd_ZeRo
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- Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 01:10
proposal:
-1280x960
-Everything to max or as high as the graphics card will support (anything below max needs to be noted)
-TA style camera, zoomed right out
-some map small enough to fit entirely on screen
-someone make a script filling the map with kroggies or a selection of high -texture/poly count units
-nothing else running, obviously (lose the firewall too, pull your network cable out if necessary)
we need some way of measuring the results, does the engine have something like that built in?
Right, then on to movement tests:
-get the script to put everything in one corner and then move it to another corner
-Another script to create 200 different aircraft, dogfight
-Can we script camera movement? a flyby of a formation would be good, how about a moving formation?
-large quantity of long-range artillery, all targetted in different places with 1/2 high & 1/2 low trajectory.
-Screen full of some unit with a lot of moving parts (I had some sort of a core unit that made insane ammount fo metal once, it has 4 steam things and turning blue bits and was generally really fancy looking)
Anyway, you have access to my PC for bechmarking if you want:
Athlon64 3200+, 1Gb RAM, ATi X800XL graphics
-Gurkha
-1280x960
-Everything to max or as high as the graphics card will support (anything below max needs to be noted)
-TA style camera, zoomed right out
-some map small enough to fit entirely on screen
-someone make a script filling the map with kroggies or a selection of high -texture/poly count units
-nothing else running, obviously (lose the firewall too, pull your network cable out if necessary)
we need some way of measuring the results, does the engine have something like that built in?
Right, then on to movement tests:
-get the script to put everything in one corner and then move it to another corner
-Another script to create 200 different aircraft, dogfight
-Can we script camera movement? a flyby of a formation would be good, how about a moving formation?
-large quantity of long-range artillery, all targetted in different places with 1/2 high & 1/2 low trajectory.
-Screen full of some unit with a lot of moving parts (I had some sort of a core unit that made insane ammount fo metal once, it has 4 steam things and turning blue bits and was generally really fancy looking)
Anyway, you have access to my PC for bechmarking if you want:
Athlon64 3200+, 1Gb RAM, ATi X800XL graphics
-Gurkha
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el_muchacho
- Posts: 201
- Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 01:06
I am having major problems with my system. I am not sure it's not a hardware fault though, although I've never had such problems with other games before (Doom3, LockOn, TrackMania Sunrise).
When I have more than 120-150 fast moving units (planes) and I push the speed to x4, the screen goes black. It looks like my graphic card, an ATI 9600 Pro, can't handle more than that.
I wonder if my power supply, an LC Power 6420 rated at 420W, is failing under the heavy load that TA Spring represents.
If it fails with 120 units on screen at speed x4, I expect it to fail at less than 500 units at speed 1.
Yet my system should be able to handle this :
Athlon 2700+@2314 mhz
512 Mb RAM
Graphic ATI 9600 Pro
When I have more than 120-150 fast moving units (planes) and I push the speed to x4, the screen goes black. It looks like my graphic card, an ATI 9600 Pro, can't handle more than that.
I wonder if my power supply, an LC Power 6420 rated at 420W, is failing under the heavy load that TA Spring represents.
If it fails with 120 units on screen at speed x4, I expect it to fail at less than 500 units at speed 1.
Yet my system should be able to handle this :
Athlon 2700+@2314 mhz
512 Mb RAM
Graphic ATI 9600 Pro
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el_muchacho
- Posts: 201
- Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 01:06
I seem to have found the solution of my problem : getting rid of the Omega drivers, and some tweaking of some options in the Bios (AGP 8x instead of 4x and RAM set to 2.5T instead of 3T for instance) seems to have done the trick. Now in my tests, the game is fluid up to 200 units (among which many planes moving and firing) at speed x2, and then, it seems limited by the CPU. But the screen no longer freezes like before.
This game pushes the hardware to its limits like no other I know.
This game pushes the hardware to its limits like no other I know.