Exactly. What he's doing is inappropriate and I won't tolerate it becoming a habit. If he shows a tendency to continue then I don't want other players to have to deal with him.ZellSF wrote:You haven't have played many internet games then.Ishach wrote:I think everyone should lighten up a bit and just laugh at it and forget.
To be honest if he did it to me in my own game I would find it funny and wouldnt even kick him from future games.
I cant imagine anyone in any other game being banned from playing it just for doing silly stuff a few games.
From the description, he basically screwed up EVERYTHING for his team. Ruining their ability to have FUN, the most important part of a game.
It's not "silly stuff", it's trying to make sure the other players aren't really having a good time playing Spring, and that, in my opinion, is more than enough of a reason to ban. Do you honestly want people who screws up the game for other people to stay on Spring? That'll attract new players. Totally.
Could you PLEASE ban ZergZergLOL
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SwiftSpear
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kick zerg
I was in that game. maybe it's fun if it happens in the first 5 mins but I only found out about 1 hour later.
look, I was trying to play and have fun. I didn't know that anything had happened until I realised that my teammates were screwed and I was the last guy holding out. at that point someone made it clear to me exactly what zerg had done.
someone said to zerg at some stage early on: "don't comnap", but I assumed it was a member of the other team who said that.
I don't comnap, but I view it as an acceptable technique. but your own teammate? wtf!
If I'd known that I'd been trying to win an already screwed game for (I think it was about) 1 hour before I found out, I'd have stopped playing before that. I played my ass off and lost NOT because we were the worst team, but because... ok well I suppose with zerg we WERE the worst team.
but the other team had it ruined for them too, all of their efforts to nail us went down the tubes in the end.
look, I was trying to play and have fun. I didn't know that anything had happened until I realised that my teammates were screwed and I was the last guy holding out. at that point someone made it clear to me exactly what zerg had done.
someone said to zerg at some stage early on: "don't comnap", but I assumed it was a member of the other team who said that.
I don't comnap, but I view it as an acceptable technique. but your own teammate? wtf!
If I'd known that I'd been trying to win an already screwed game for (I think it was about) 1 hour before I found out, I'd have stopped playing before that. I played my ass off and lost NOT because we were the worst team, but because... ok well I suppose with zerg we WERE the worst team.
but the other team had it ruined for them too, all of their efforts to nail us went down the tubes in the end.
Re: Could you PLEASE ban ZergZergLOL
Thanks for thhe correction Das Bruce i missed that bitDas Bruce wrote:Felix the Cat wrote:This fucker blatantly attacks his own team... kidnaps teammates' comms and self-d's them in their bases... launches nukes at his own team.No dissrespect or anything but why ban somone because of what he does ingame can it be coutermeasured ?
I see no rule in comm naping its happend to me once and i found it really funny, if you guys dont like what he does just tell him to stop or kick him out of your game.
Surely theres no need to bad someone just because of something like that i mean hey its only a game.
What next, ban people for comm-napping?
Noob_666 rushed with 3 peewees at under a minute! I think we should ban him too!
Noob_667 played SimBase in a team game while the rest of us got pounded. Ban him! Ban him!
The solution to this is really, really simple.
Don't play with the guy.
All in all, having the mods look into in-game grievances is a can of worms that you don't want to open. They don't have time to screw around with this sort of thing. Opening this door is likely to result in heavyhanded enforcement because after a while they'll be pissed off at having their time wasted with this crap.
Noob_666 rushed with 3 peewees at under a minute! I think we should ban him too!
Noob_667 played SimBase in a team game while the rest of us got pounded. Ban him! Ban him!
The solution to this is really, really simple.
Don't play with the guy.
All in all, having the mods look into in-game grievances is a can of worms that you don't want to open. They don't have time to screw around with this sort of thing. Opening this door is likely to result in heavyhanded enforcement because after a while they'll be pissed off at having their time wasted with this crap.
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IMHO you are wrong.NOiZE wrote:Well IMHO we should stay clear from ingame issues.
If someone joins Spring games with the sole, express purpose of ruining the game for his teammates, he is detracting from the Spring community. If a newbie were in that game on Zerg's team and Zerg had commnapped him, would that newbie be likely to come back and play Spring again, or would he be likely to say "screw Spring it's stupid" - and tell all of his friends and acquaintances that too?
What Zerg was doing has zero redeeming value. None whatsoever. It was not an attempt to win the game. It was an attempt to screw up the game. Such behavior should not be tolerated, and consequences should be forthcoming.
I think we should ban you for utter stupidity and lack of reading-comprehension skills.killcrazy wrote:What next, ban people for comm-napping?
Noob_666 rushed with 3 peewees at under a minute! I think we should ban him too!
Noob_667 played SimBase in a team game while the rest of us got pounded. Ban him! Ban him!
Comm-napping, rushing with 3 peewees in under a minute, and playing "SimBase" are all done in good faith; they are bona-fide efforts to win the game (and the first 2 are rather good efforts at that).
Kidnapping your teammate's comm, or nuking your teammate's base, are done in bad faith; they are purely efforts to ruin the game.
There is no comparison here. Your slippery-slope argument is invalid.
I think that if multiple players can present evidence that one person is simply playing to ruin other peoples' game experiences, the moderators have an obligation to ban that person from the Spring lobby. Any ten-year-old knows that, if you do things that are obviously wrong, you suffer the consequences, end of story.
IMHO you are wrong.
well in my not so humble opinion you are wrong. moderating the lobby is all well and good but you don't sign SHIT that says whatever you do ingame can and will be used against you
Besides which it is UTTER BS. What you do ingame is NOTHING of moderators business. If you detract from others gameplay experience those people will learn to stay clear of you.
This is totally out of moderators responsabilty and SHOULD BE KEPT THAT WAY.
Stfu i mean come on how many games have you played in which have been 'ruined' due to this? 1 game in 50 doesn't count, you can spare that small amount of time...
well in my not so humble opinion you are wrong. moderating the lobby is all well and good but you don't sign SHIT that says whatever you do ingame can and will be used against you
Besides which it is UTTER BS. What you do ingame is NOTHING of moderators business. If you detract from others gameplay experience those people will learn to stay clear of you.
This is totally out of moderators responsabilty and SHOULD BE KEPT THAT WAY.
Stfu i mean come on how many games have you played in which have been 'ruined' due to this? 1 game in 50 doesn't count, you can spare that small amount of time...
Some of don't want to play with 400 idiots before we learn everyone to avoid. Team nuking is retarded, and should be actionable. Team combombing, not so much, since it happens early in the game, so you lose less time. But to play your heart out for an hour then get nuked by your own teamate? Bannable.
Edit: But what if they were trying to nuke an attack on you and just messed it up? It is a tricky balance.
I guess a number of repeat offenses would be necessary. Somone would have to demonstrate that they routinely play to screw over their teamates.
Edit: But what if they were trying to nuke an attack on you and just messed it up? It is a tricky balance.
I guess a number of repeat offenses would be necessary. Somone would have to demonstrate that they routinely play to screw over their teamates.
Better suggestion: integrate more of the features from altaric's client into the main lobby client, like the banlists (done right and bound to account instead of just username) and auto-hosting features. Then maybe we can get some good dedicated hosts that people know they can play games on without running into these lamers.
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Felix the Cat
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Uh oh. Someone CAPITALIZED WORDS. He doesn't actually have an ARGUMENT but it LOOKS LIKE HE KNOWS what he's talking about!Min3mat wrote:IMHO you are wrong.
well in my not so humble opinion you are wrong. moderating the lobby is all well and good but you don't sign SHIT that says whatever you do ingame can and will be used against you
Besides which it is UTTER BS. What you do ingame is NOTHING of moderators business. If you detract from others gameplay experience those people will learn to stay clear of you.
This is totally out of moderators responsabilty and SHOULD BE KEPT THAT WAY.
Stfu i mean come on how many games have you played in which have been 'ruined' due to this? 1 game in 50 doesn't count, you can spare that small amount of time...
I think a lot of people are missing the point.
Felix isn't trying to get someone banned who happened upon a really good way to own his opponent - he's trying to remove a greifer, a deliberate TKer.
The guys that run around friendly spawn points trying to mow down teammates as they enter the game, or plant mines on all the exit points so that its impossible to leave, or wait for a plane to fill up with passengers before ramming it into the ground or getting it shot down intentionally. These examples are from BF1942, but there are many, many more.
This isn't comm napping as in grabbing the enemy comm, its picking up an allied commander (one that doesn't shoot back, and thus is totally unable to defend itself from this kind of thing), and using it to blow up that allied base. This does nothing to help win the game - he is acting solely to ruin the game for a teammate.
I agree with Erom - telling us to 'learn who not to play with' is not an option. Folks like Zerg will just smurf and create more accounts if they realize that they're getting kicked from games. A host banlist by IP address (or any kind of more permanent ID than account name) would be a good idea.
Felix isn't trying to get someone banned who happened upon a really good way to own his opponent - he's trying to remove a greifer, a deliberate TKer.
The guys that run around friendly spawn points trying to mow down teammates as they enter the game, or plant mines on all the exit points so that its impossible to leave, or wait for a plane to fill up with passengers before ramming it into the ground or getting it shot down intentionally. These examples are from BF1942, but there are many, many more.
This isn't comm napping as in grabbing the enemy comm, its picking up an allied commander (one that doesn't shoot back, and thus is totally unable to defend itself from this kind of thing), and using it to blow up that allied base. This does nothing to help win the game - he is acting solely to ruin the game for a teammate.
I agree with Erom - telling us to 'learn who not to play with' is not an option. Folks like Zerg will just smurf and create more accounts if they realize that they're getting kicked from games. A host banlist by IP address (or any kind of more permanent ID than account name) would be a good idea.
ooh looks like SOMEONE can't counter ACTUAL ARGUMENTS so instead goes along and ANAYLSES the post as if it matters.
You're wrong. GO AWAY >.<
e: i know EXACTLY what he is talking about. Idiots like that get bored eventaully and if not their repuation gets round.
This is NOT what moderators should be doing they are IN LOBBY. CHAT. MODERATORS.
Not ingame chat moderators. Nor ingame performance deciders.
They should not be doing anything about this and i gather they AREN'T.
You're wrong. GO AWAY >.<
e: i know EXACTLY what he is talking about. Idiots like that get bored eventaully and if not their repuation gets round.
This is NOT what moderators should be doing they are IN LOBBY. CHAT. MODERATORS.
Not ingame chat moderators. Nor ingame performance deciders.
They should not be doing anything about this and i gather they AREN'T.
I cant see what the problem is, if theres enough evidence to show that a player constantly ruins games why is it such a "no no" for mods to ban them for a while?
People get banned for 6 lines of spam in the lobby which to me is much less annoying than team killers.
People get banned for constant flaming in the forums too, why not ban for the most annoying thing of all, stupid players that spoil everyones enjoyment and waste everyones time?
Its not always a case of just restarting in 30 secs and kicking the offender, sometimes they wait all game then nuke you, or give their entire base to your opponent halfway through.
Maybe the EULA should include something about in game conduct.
Saying that I just kick any known offenders the instant they join my battleroom, Id like to use altarics client but im lazy and I prefer letting them join, telling them theyre twats and then kicking them ^^
It honestly never gets boring :)
People get banned for 6 lines of spam in the lobby which to me is much less annoying than team killers.
People get banned for constant flaming in the forums too, why not ban for the most annoying thing of all, stupid players that spoil everyones enjoyment and waste everyones time?
Its not always a case of just restarting in 30 secs and kicking the offender, sometimes they wait all game then nuke you, or give their entire base to your opponent halfway through.
Maybe the EULA should include something about in game conduct.
Saying that I just kick any known offenders the instant they join my battleroom, Id like to use altarics client but im lazy and I prefer letting them join, telling them theyre twats and then kicking them ^^
It honestly never gets boring :)
How do you plan on knowing a smurf by reputation?Min3mat wrote:Idiots like that get bored eventaully and if not their repuation gets round.
This is exactly what mods should be handling - spammers are kicked/banned from the lobby for rendering the lobby unusable.
Teamkillers like this should be banned for rendering spring unplayable.
Of course there need to be replays of the event, but if there's proof in replay form of someone intentionally teamkilling, there is no question that they should be dealt with.
