Radar question (an dLOS question)

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » 20 Jul 2006, 14:18

a) normaly if you see something on radar, you see the radarblip flying around the real target in a small circle.
Now my question is: can you increase the radius of this circle? I would need that.

b) i set sightdistance to 2000 and higher, but my unit has only a los of about 1000. Is this the max los, or am i doing something wrong? When i hit the L button, i see the 2000 area lightened a bit, but if something is into this area, i only see it on radar and not like it is in LOS.

thx

colorblind · Post by **colorblind** » 20 Jul 2006, 14:40

1) You can in the next release. Check http://taspring.clan-sy.com/wiki/CustomUnitIcons for details.

2) I don't know.

Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:15

I dont think he means the icon, just how much it will wander.

Acidd_UK · Post by **Acidd_UK** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:18

From reading that, I'm very excited.

hawkki · Post by **hawkki** » 21 Jul 2006, 13:21

Optimus Prime wrote:b) i set sightdistance to 2000 and higher, but my unit has only a los of about 1000. Is this the max los, or am i doing something wrong? When i hit the L button, i see the 2000 area lightened a bit, but if something is into this area, i only see it on radar and not like it is in LOS.

thx

There definately is some bug with radar distances and los distances. Or maybe not a bug, but maximum specified ranges. Or then i am also doing something wrong because i have stumbled upon the same problem. Both LOS and radar distance is limited. Could this be fixed or are we doing something wrong ?

The two radars highlighted, the should-be radar ranges show on minimap but the actual ranges are shown in the picture.

There is also another question i cannot find an answer to:

What are the three shades of green ? The first is los, yes. But the second and third are both radar ranges ? or what are they ? If radar ranges, why two different shades?

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 21 Jul 2006, 14:39

1: Radar is limited by terrain, its a feature and i'm pretty sure its hardcoded (patch?)
2: GFX i think

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 21 Jul 2006, 15:50

Optimus Prime wrote:a) normaly if you see something on radar, you see the radarblip flying around the real target in a small circle.
Now my question is: can you increase the radius of this circle? I would need that.

b) i set sightdistance to 2000 and higher, but my unit has only a los of about 1000. Is this the max los, or am i doing something wrong? When i hit the L button, i see the 2000 area lightened a bit, but if something is into this area, i only see it on radar and not like it is in LOS.

thx

i'd like this too - representing a unit's resistance to radar targetting

Hunter0000 · Post by **Hunter0000** » 21 Jul 2006, 16:34

hawkki wrote:What are the three shades of green ? The first is los, yes. But the second and third are both radar ranges ? or what are they ? If radar ranges, why two different shades?

Light green = Radar and LOS
Green = ariel LOS and Rdar
Dark green = just Radar

Normal = just LOS
Grey = just Ariel LOS
Dark Grey = Notthing

Light red = Jamed and LOS
Red = Jammed and Ariel LOS
Dark Red = Jammed and no LOS

E: forgot to put, Ariel LOS is where you can only see air units, Projectiles, and gfx like smoke and shields.

Light Yellow = Jammed,LOS and Radar
Yellow = Jammed, Radar anf Ariel LOS
Dark Yellow = Jammed and Radar

I THINK thats all of em and how they work. Is this on the wiki? maybe I should add it if all of this is confirmed.

colorblind · Post by **colorblind** » 21 Jul 2006, 17:11

That's right.
AFAIK it isn't in the Wiki; if you like you can put it in. Better put it somewhere in http://taspring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Using_Spring

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 21 Jul 2006, 17:40

Do you mean Aerial?

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 21 Jul 2006, 17:57

Min3mat wrote:1: Radar is limited by terrain, its a feature and i'm pretty sure its hardcoded (patch?)

Look at it closely, though. The "green radar coverage" cuts off before the "radar range circle", even though there's no terrain in the way.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 21 Jul 2006, 18:09

It's probably not accurate enough to realize that the flat terrain doesn't get in the way. That's a pretty extreme angle after all.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 21 Jul 2006, 18:23

Flat terrain gets in the way. I'm fairly sure that if you put the radar on a mountain peak you get the full radius.

hawkki · Post by **hawkki** » 21 Jul 2006, 18:32

SwiftSpear wrote:Flat terrain gets in the way. I'm fairly sure that if you put the radar on a mountain peak you get the full radius.

Tried that on altored divide because i suspected the same. The radar tower got full radar coverage. however when i added the advanced radar tower the radar range was left short again and the los did not either grow bigger even though the advanced radar has a bigger los specified.

The radar was on the top of one of those big mountains behind your back at start, right at the edge.

Radar, radar range correct

Radar and advanced radar, note the radar range gets cut off and los stays exactly the same even though the arad has clearly higher los.

Why does this happen? Now it cannot be explained by the height of the point where from the ranges are calculated to match terrain and inaccuracy of that.

Note that the air-los grows remarkably when arad is built. Is the air-los calculated somehow from the los and radar distance ?

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 21 Jul 2006, 18:51

is that LOS 1024?

hawkki · Post by **hawkki** » 21 Jul 2006, 19:00

unpossible wrote:is that LOS 1024?

It is supposed to be 1820 for radar and 2600 for advanced radar. What it actually is i cannot say, since it seems engine cuts it at some point.

edit: los currently is nearly equal to guardian weapon range, which is 1220, so your guess for 1024 seems possible.

Do you have a clue why this happens, is spring hardcoded for a maximum of los 1024 or whats going on here ?

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 21 Jul 2006, 19:30

Prettified and Wikified.

http://taspring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Using_Spring

I also added information to the Wait and Repeat commands.

You may now bow before me.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 21 Jul 2006, 20:01

Dragon45 wrote:Prettified and Wikified.

http://taspring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Using_Spring

I also added information to the Wait and Repeat commands.

You may now bow before me.

Did you post in the wrong topic? This is a pretty standard issue bug report, nothing needing wikifying here...

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 21 Jul 2006, 21:13

I think the color list should be simplified since it's just three colors overlayed (LOS/Aerial, Radar, Jammer). Someone reading this would currently be overwhelmed since he wouldn't understand the components that make up these colors.

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 24 Jul 2006, 18:54

SwiftSpear wrote: Did you post in the wrong topic? This is a pretty standard issue bug report, nothing needing wikifying here...

No mate, I added the radar/LOS commands and colors to the wiki. They werent there before.

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