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| 0005640 | Spring engine | General | public | 2017-07-10 06:27 | 2017-07-10 20:42 | ||||
| Reporter | abma | ||||||||
| Assigned To | abma | ||||||||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | have not tried | ||||
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||||||
| Product Version | 103.0 +git | ||||||||
| Target Version | 104.0 | Fixed in Version | |||||||
| Summary | 0005640: Popup "You are using an open-source (Mesa / Gallium) graphics card driver"... | ||||||||
| Description | the OS mesa driver is / will be the successor of the binary ATI driver. Its already in a very good state: i basicly had no crash since ages with it, only several errors / warnings with shaders because the shader itself was invalid: i.e. because of a missing version, it couldn't be compiled. the popup should be removed as the hint "switch to proprietary drivers" isn't useful. ATI binary (=fglrx) drivers on linux are deprecated! | ||||||||
| Additional Information | IMHO the problem here is that most devs use nvidia binary drivers: stuff isn't tested on other drivers. | ||||||||
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Kloot (developer) 2017-07-10 10:26 Last edited: 2017-07-10 10:27 |
"the OS mesa driver is / will be the successor of the binary ATI driver." no, what do you even base this on? amdgpu is, for which the popup won't show. the fact is that mesa (after 20+ years of development) still can not touch nvidia's binary blob and is unlikely to ever do given the complexity of modern GPU's, so the warning *is* useful. |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 10:51 Last edited: 2017-07-10 10:53 |
amdgpu is for newer gpus only, fglrx is deprecated. so the radeon driver must be used on older gpus as the binary driver fglrx isn't supported any more. -> radeon + amdgpu (or amdgpu-pro which has some more binary blobs but uses a lot of stuff from amdgpu afaik) should be used for best performance / features / stability some references: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SteamOS-2.115-Released https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary "<!> This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead. " current debian 9 isn't listed there, not sure why. > the fact is that mesa (after 20+ years of development) still can not touch nvidia's binary blob i disagree, the OS ati and Intel drivers are pretty good. My impression is that OS-Intel drivers are better on linux as on windows. Nvidia-OS drivers are far behind because they don't support OS it seems. https://mesamatrix.net/ A LOT of code is optimized for the nvidia-binary drivers, thats what causes most problems. |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 11:11 |
in other words: - for nvidia os driver this message is still valid - for intel (is there a binary driver for intel?) and ati cards it isn't |
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Kloot (developer) 2017-07-10 11:21 Last edited: 2017-07-10 11:26 |
yes, it is. radeon/amdgpu should be the first choice for all ATI users, not mesa. "the OS ati and Intel drivers are pretty good." -> certainly better, but nowhere near nvidia blobs wrt performance. |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 15:58 |
how to check which driver is used? lshw -c video *-display description: VGA compatible controller product: Juniper PRO [Radeon HD 5750] vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] physical id: 0 bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0 version: 00 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom configuration: driver=radeon latency=0 resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-dfffffff memory:fea20000-fea3ffff ioport:e000(size=256) memory:c0000-dffff for me it looks like the radeon driver is loaded and used for spring, also only one gpu is available: xrandr --listproviders Providers: number : 1 Provider 0: id: 0x59 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 4 associated providers: 0 name:ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series @ pci:0000:01:00.0 |
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Kloot (developer) 2017-07-10 16:17 |
"radeon" is both the name of the driver and the hardware chipset. what does glxinfo say? the radeon driver should have different version and renderer strings (i.e. not "Gallium 0.4..." but something like "ATI Radeon HD") according to google. |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 16:19 |
the same: glxinfo |grep OpenGL OpenGL vendor string: X.Org OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD JUNIPER (DRM 2.48.0 / 4.9.0-3-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1) OpenGL core profile version string: 3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 13.0.6 OpenGL core profile shading language version string: 3.30 OpenGL core profile context flags: (none) OpenGL core profile profile mask: core profile OpenGL core profile extensions: OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30 OpenGL context flags: (none) OpenGL extensions: OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6 OpenGL ES profile shading language version string: OpenGL ES GLSL ES 3.00 OpenGL ES profile extensions: |
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Kloot (developer) 2017-07-10 16:28 |
hmm, now I'm not sure because the HD5750 driver would be r600g which is built on gallium (part of mesa). I guess we can check for "AMD" in the renderer string and skip the warning if that is present. |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 16:33 Last edited: 2017-07-10 16:33 |
vice versa, force enabling software rendering on the same hardware leads to this: LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 ./spring [...] SDL version : 2.0.5 (linked) / 2.0.5 (compiled) GL version : 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6 GL vendor : VMware, Inc. GL renderer : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 128 bits) GLSL version: 1.30 GLEW version: 2.0.0 GPU memory : 16001MB (total) / 16001MB (available) SwapInterval: 0 [...] |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 16:57 |
LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 GALLIUM_DRIVER=softpipe ./spring SDL version : 2.0.5 (linked) / 2.0.5 (compiled) GL version : 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6 GL vendor : VMware, Inc. GL renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe GLSL version: 1.30 GLEW version: 2.0.0 GPU memory : 16001MB (total) / 16001MB (available) SwapInterval: 0 |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 20:39 |
i'll remove the check: - its not our job to warn about someone using softwarerendering (with softwarerendering even the desktop gui is slow) - mesa drivers are IMHO mature - string parsing is faulty / idk if there is even a standard how the gallium driver creates the string. On weston (which is becoming default on desktop envs soon i guess) the string could look completely different |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 20:39 |
Fix bfbf9d69fc4ff59c24c0e7467d29b0c0c93a5aeb committed to develop branch: fix 0005640: remove invalid check / mesa is mature!, repo: spring changeset id: 8492 |
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abma (administrator) 2017-07-10 20:42 |
- an OS project should encourage to use OS software! :-) |
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| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2017-07-10 06:27 | abma | New Issue | |
| 2017-07-10 06:30 | abma | Product Version | => 103.0 +git |
| 2017-07-10 06:30 | abma | File Added: infolog.txt | |
| 2017-07-10 06:30 | abma | File Deleted: infolog.txt | |
| 2017-07-10 06:31 | abma | File Added: infolog.txt | |
| 2017-07-10 10:26 | Kloot | Note Added: 0017986 | |
| 2017-07-10 10:27 | Kloot | Note Edited: 0017986 | View Revisions |
| 2017-07-10 10:51 | abma | Note Added: 0017987 | |
| 2017-07-10 10:53 | abma | Note Edited: 0017987 | View Revisions |
| 2017-07-10 11:11 | abma | Note Added: 0017988 | |
| 2017-07-10 11:21 | Kloot | Note Added: 0017989 | |
| 2017-07-10 11:25 | Kloot | Note Edited: 0017989 | View Revisions |
| 2017-07-10 11:26 | Kloot | Note Edited: 0017989 | View Revisions |
| 2017-07-10 15:58 | abma | Note Added: 0017996 | |
| 2017-07-10 16:17 | Kloot | Note Added: 0017997 | |
| 2017-07-10 16:19 | abma | Note Added: 0017998 | |
| 2017-07-10 16:28 | Kloot | Note Added: 0017999 | |
| 2017-07-10 16:33 | abma | Note Added: 0018000 | |
| 2017-07-10 16:33 | abma | Note Edited: 0018000 | View Revisions |
| 2017-07-10 16:57 | abma | Note Added: 0018001 | |
| 2017-07-10 20:39 | abma | Note Added: 0018003 | |
| 2017-07-10 20:39 | abma | Changeset attached | => spring develop bfbf9d69 |
| 2017-07-10 20:39 | abma | Note Added: 0018004 | |
| 2017-07-10 20:39 | abma | Assigned To | => abma |
| 2017-07-10 20:39 | abma | Status | new => resolved |
| 2017-07-10 20:39 | abma | Resolution | open => fixed |
| 2017-07-10 20:42 | abma | Note Added: 0018005 | |
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