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| 0004138 | Spring engine | General | public | 2013-11-09 16:35 | 2013-11-24 01:03 | ||||
| Reporter | Google_Frog | ||||||||
| Assigned To | Kloot | ||||||||
| Priority | normal | Severity | block | Reproducibility | always | ||||
| Status | closed | Resolution | no change required | ||||||
| Product Version | 95.0 | ||||||||
| Target Version | Fixed in Version | ||||||||
| Summary | 0004138: Jittery unit movement, timing assert often fails. | ||||||||
| Description | Basically this: http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=3845 It occurs for many people. | ||||||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||||||
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abma (administrator) 2013-11-09 17:29 Last edited: 2013-11-09 17:29 |
@GoogleFrog is any user without intel i7 affected? i guess its related to the cpu boost... |
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Google_Frog (reporter) 2013-11-09 17:55 |
I have intel i7 and have not asked others in that much detail. |
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abma (administrator) 2013-11-09 17:57 |
hmmm: http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=549775#p549775 "NP=0" those have zero to do with timer change: you are running out of netpackets -> your connection has problems. |
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silentwings (reporter) 2013-11-09 18:00 Last edited: 2013-11-09 18:03 |
I also have i7 and see these with /debug, although they are not as bad as I used to see them and my CTOs are typically much lower than GFs (nearly all <2, worst ever is about 5). So for me its not a block but I can see it if I look hard enough. For me they also show NP=0 but I'm certain there is nothing wrong with my connection. I'll make an infolog of an online game and add it. |
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abma (administrator) 2013-11-09 18:07 |
hmm, ok. does AdvUnitShading=0 help? some guy reported in #sy that it helped him, but atm the information is very fragile as no engine dev can reproduce it and not all people are affected. |
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abma (administrator) 2013-11-09 18:08 |
also big fat note: "Connecting to 94.23.171.71:8670" -> this server yesterday had weird connection problems, all springies were offline for a while. |
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silentwings (reporter) 2013-11-09 18:21 Last edited: 2013-11-09 18:22 |
AdvUnitShading=0 discussion in #sy earlier was fixing a different bug (an ati one) to do with a flashing screen. |
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silentwings (reporter) 2013-11-09 18:26 |
Ok, added my infolog. The 'hang detection' was because I left it running minimized until game had got to intense phase, then alt tabbed in and did /debug. |
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silentwings (reporter) 2013-11-09 19:14 Last edited: 2013-11-09 19:18 |
Seems a few BA players are also reporting this issue, so far all people with i7. It seems mild (like for me) in all BA cases. I'll harvest some infologs... |
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FLOZi (reporter) 2013-11-09 21:03 Last edited: 2013-11-09 21:21 |
I also have i7 and get jittery middle click scrolling (but arrow button is smooth) I had unit jitter at some points throughout 94->95 dev cycle. No asserts been triggered at all though it seems. edit: AllowModelDefferedRendering=0 fixes it for me |
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Kloot (developer) 2013-11-10 17:40 |
"Mild jitter" can in 99% of all cases be explained just by bad/new config settings and timing precision issues. The kind of jitter GF wants to believe everyone is suffering from (but for which no hard evidence exists) is a system problem and can *not* be fixed by us. We can see this from his own infolog: [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2967 : CTO=1.324138 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=42.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2968 : CTO=2.017734 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=64.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2969 : CTO=2.837438 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=90.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2970 : CTO=3.877832 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=123.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2971 : CTO=4.729064 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=150.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2972 : CTO=5.769458 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=183.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2973 : CTO=6.620689 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=210.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2974 : CTO=7.661083 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=243.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2975 : CTO=8.512315 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=270.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2976 : CTO=9.552709 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=303.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2977 : CTO=10.403940 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=330.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2978 : CTO=11.412807 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=362.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2979 : CTO=12.295566 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=390.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2980 : CTO=13.304432 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=422.000000ms : NP=0) [f=0025275] Error: assert(CTO <= 1.0f) failed (SF=25275 : DF=2981 : CTO=14.155663 : WSF=0.031527 : DT=449.000000ms : NP=0) DT increases to 500ms (HALF A SECOND!!!) in 15 drawframes for the *same* simframe number which can *only* be caused by NETMSG_NEWFRAME starvation. |
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Google_Frog (reporter) 2013-11-11 06:13 |
Apparently you can do something about it because either 91.0 deals with the same inherent network latency as 95.0 in a much smoother way or 95.0 has introduced problems which increase latency. |
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Kloot (developer) 2013-11-17 18:56 |
"With the right settings the jitter seems ok for me (not much worse than 91.0)" [http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/6091] ... |
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Kloot (developer) 2013-11-24 01:02 Last edited: 2013-11-24 01:03 |
http://www.sleipnirstuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16146 ("strange tick time peaks that results into a delay of half a second every 10-15 seconds") get in contact with this guy and compare notes |
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| Issue History |
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| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2013-11-09 16:35 | Google_Frog | New Issue | |
| 2013-11-09 16:35 | Google_Frog | File Added: jitterAssertInfolog.txt | |
| 2013-11-09 17:28 | abma | Relationship added | duplicate of 0004132 |
| 2013-11-09 17:29 | abma | Note Added: 0012025 | |
| 2013-11-09 17:29 | abma | Note Edited: 0012025 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 17:55 | Google_Frog | Note Added: 0012026 | |
| 2013-11-09 17:57 | abma | Note Added: 0012027 | |
| 2013-11-09 18:00 | silentwings | Note Added: 0012028 | |
| 2013-11-09 18:02 | silentwings | Note Edited: 0012028 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 18:03 | silentwings | Note Edited: 0012028 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 18:03 | silentwings | Note Edited: 0012028 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 18:07 | abma | Note Added: 0012029 | |
| 2013-11-09 18:08 | abma | Note Added: 0012030 | |
| 2013-11-09 18:21 | silentwings | Note Added: 0012031 | |
| 2013-11-09 18:22 | silentwings | Note Edited: 0012031 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 18:25 | silentwings | File Added: infolog_silentwings.txt | |
| 2013-11-09 18:26 | silentwings | Note Added: 0012033 | |
| 2013-11-09 19:14 | silentwings | Note Added: 0012034 | |
| 2013-11-09 19:17 | silentwings | Note Edited: 0012034 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 19:18 | silentwings | Note Edited: 0012034 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-09 21:03 | FLOZi | Note Added: 0012035 | |
| 2013-11-09 21:21 | FLOZi | Note Edited: 0012035 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-10 17:40 | Kloot | Note Added: 0012039 | |
| 2013-11-10 17:41 | Kloot | Status | new => closed |
| 2013-11-10 17:41 | Kloot | Assigned To | => Kloot |
| 2013-11-10 17:41 | Kloot | Resolution | open => unable to reproduce |
| 2013-11-11 06:13 | Google_Frog | Note Added: 0012049 | |
| 2013-11-11 06:13 | Google_Frog | Status | closed => feedback |
| 2013-11-11 06:13 | Google_Frog | Resolution | unable to reproduce => reopened |
| 2013-11-17 18:56 | Kloot | Note Added: 0012170 | |
| 2013-11-17 18:56 | Kloot | Status | feedback => closed |
| 2013-11-17 18:56 | Kloot | Resolution | reopened => unable to reproduce |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Assigned To | Kloot => |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Note Added: 0012202 | |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Status | closed => feedback |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Resolution | unable to reproduce => reopened |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Status | feedback => closed |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Assigned To | => Kloot |
| 2013-11-24 01:02 | Kloot | Resolution | reopened => no change required |
| 2013-11-24 01:03 | Kloot | Status | closed => feedback |
| 2013-11-24 01:03 | Kloot | Resolution | no change required => reopened |
| 2013-11-24 01:03 | Kloot | Note Edited: 0012202 | View Revisions |
| 2013-11-24 01:03 | Kloot | Status | feedback => closed |
| 2013-11-24 01:03 | Kloot | Resolution | reopened => no change required |
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