Crosspaths (the TA Spring version)

[Tangaroa]

Well, Its a version of one of my maps for TA that used the Atlantis Metal tileset, which had blue water, so I assume it has blue skies. But I just used the settings from a greenworld map for those.

At any rate, here it is, enjoy.

http://www.fileuniverse.com/?page=showitem&ID=710

[genblood]

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... Cool map ...

Great job on the map ....

Looking forward to seeing other maps you're done ....

LATER ...

[Buggi]

A screenshot of some size would help... Just a thought.

[Tangaroa]

Here is the minimap:


And here is an in game screenshot:

http://images.igloos.ca/v/tangoimg/cros ... ewsIndex=1

[Redfish]

Hey Tanga, how much metal do your metal extractors and moho mines give? What values did you use for the extractor radius and max metal? Lemme know. Not that it matters that much on a TA metal map, because the idea is you have too much resources.

[Tangaroa]

The values I used in the map are:
MaxMetal=.06;
ExtractorRadius=100;

Normal metal extractors extract 2 metal, which is about right, however, moho mines extract 5 metal, they should really be extracting about 19 metal.

[Redfish]

Yeah I only managed 2.3 exactly for the normal extractors but the moho's only give 6.4. Must have to do with the units themselves.

[The Grand Poobah]

I think its because the normal extractor and the moho both have the same exctracting radius in Spring, whereas in OTA their extracting radius was based on footprint size, and the moho had a bigger footprint.

[Redfish]

Sounds logical. But the metal patch they extracted from was only so big. So the amount of metal you got from one patch would be more related to the efficiency of the mine imo.

[The Grand Poobah]

I see what you're saying. So this probably couldn't work unless the entire map was one big metal patch, like in OTA metal maps.

[Archangel of Death]

In OTA, they didn't have extracting radius's, they had a value in the .fbi that said how good they were at extracting metal. This was then related to the metal value of whatever they were sitting on- the ground based on the maps value and the different metal deposits (the size of which was only visual, their metal was defined in their feature file).

I'm not sure how metal works in Spring maps (I really should start learning it). I'm wondering what would happen if you lowered just the extractor radius, or increased just the max metal. Though just those two values make me wonder how moho's get more metal...

[The Grand Poobah]

By extracting radius in OTA I meant that it extracted metal from all the ground underneath its footprint, which is why mohos extracted a disproportionally large amount of metal on metal maps, i.e. metal maps made a much bigger difference to mohos than to normal mexes, because instead of extracting metal from a patch the size of a normal mex, mohos extract metal from a patch the size of their footprint. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it worked.

So what I'm saying is that mohos and mexes had a functionally different "extracting radius" on OTA metal maps, which is why mohos were much more efficient on these maps than normal. In Spring however mohos and mexes always have the same extracting radius regardless of map type, so on metal maps you won't see the enormous efficiency boost for mohos that you would see in OTA. I hope that came out clearly.

[Tangaroa]

Yah, I think that the maths for the metal extractors probably needs to be changed.

[Archangel of Death]

erm... ok, this should clear it up:
This (located in the units fbi file) is the only thing that affected how much resources a metal extractor of any kind extracted:

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ExtractsMetal=0.001;

This one is from a standard metal extractor (from AA)

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ExtractsMetal=0.004;

And this is from a moho.

So after gathering this data and pulling extraction values from memory, I conlcude that you are correct and I should have payed more attention some time ago.

[Buggi]

Now we can change the deformation of the map to 0. W00t!!