Quicktime

[Caydr]

Who the hell would install this crock of shit willingly let alone PAY for a "PREMIUM" edition of it? What's that, where apple puts on a condom before it violently molests my computer?

I hate their shit and I want this bloatware off my computer but I can't remove it or else somehow iTunes will stop working! Yes, in order to download m4a files you NEED to have a shitsucking asswipe worthless rapeware to play things too, eventually, if it ever finishes loading and showing you ads. Adware = ads = AIDS? Coincidence?

Damn I hate apple. I'd love to have an iPhone - as long as it didn't involve me giving money to pedophiles-r-us, wearing stylish suits without a tie to appear trendy, look at us we're listening to music and it makes us youthful and dynamic. Steve Jobs better die next time. I hate this crap. And what the hell is Bonjour besides gayfail to run in the background that they never mention gets installed?

If I had one penny for every time I got pissed off at apple not knowing how to stop failing so hard, I'd stick them up my ass and then pay for something at the Apple Store entirely in ass-pennies, then spit on the ipod I bought and whip it through the store's window. The glass would shatter everywhere and I'd sue them for negligence.

Quicktime and the nonsense you have to put up with if you install it is, by itself is almost entirely responsible for me hating Apple so much. Well, that and everything else they do, or rather, attempt to do and then fail. I install an iTunes update, which of course means Quicktime hops aboard the gaytrain, and Apple's got the stones to actually think I would want to play anything with it. I said, no, do NOT change my settings* but I must have somehow not been hateful enough when I said so because it skanked up my default programs. Why Apple, why must you fail so hard at everything you do?


*CCCP codec pack w/ MPCHT for all video and winamp for all audio, VLC for anything that falls through the cracks.

[Das Bruce]

What does MPCHT have over MPC?

[Pxtl]

I find I turn down iTunes updates just because I don't want to figure out how to get QT out of my system tray for the 100th time.

[AF]

I dont care about quicktime beign installed, as long as I never see it, so no quicktime in my browser, no quicktime icons or menus or anything. As long as its a dependency of itunes behindthe scenes and remains behind the scenes then who cares, but if theres a way of geting itunes without quicktime then yay

Ironically I run into quicktime more foten on my Vista machien than on my OS X machine.

Bonjour is like UPnP, you can safely nuke it without destroying half the world and itunes with it.

[rattle]

What exactly do you need iTunes and Quicktime for? I've got QTLite installed for the codecs and nothing else.

[Neddie]

I can't believe you somehow felt a need for iTunes in the first place. iTunes is malware dependent on malware, where you purchase low quality rips and would be better served by wiping your arse with the currency expended. Unless, of course, you bought an iDevice, in which case, you bought overpriced crap with a proprietary interface for no apparent reason.

[Pxtl]

I can't believe you somehow felt a need for iTunes in the first place. iTunes is malware dependent on malware, where you purchase low quality rips and would be better served by wiping your arse with the currency expended. Unless, of course, you bought an iDevice, in which case, you bought overpriced crap with a proprietary interface for no apparent reason.

It took a long time for other MP3 vendors to catch up with Apple. I'll admit that by 4th gen, the iPod was about fashion, but before then it really was a better product. The iTouch is similar - I mean, would you really prefer a WinCE-based device to an iPod touch?

/sadly, my wife bought me one around 5th gen, which is when it was well into being an overpriced fashion-accessory

[Neddie]

I couldn't afford an MP3 player until the fourth generation, at which point there were a number of competitive and even a few superior options. If you bought one prior to that point you're unlikely to be using it yet, given that the lifespan of an iDevice hovers just under two years, so early superiority is no excuse for continued use.

[tombom]

are there any decent mp3 players that offer as much storage space as an ipod

[Neddie]

Considering the full iPod no longer make even a majority of iPod sales I think that is the wrong question to ask. The sixth generation only goes up to, what, 160 giggles? The Archos has always been better, comes in that size at this point. You can get a 120 giggle Zune. I'm sure digging a little would find you more than enough other options, maybe a Cowon or Phillips?

Also, unless you're running with a lossless format, that much space is unnecessary. Most of the people here don't have forty GB of music, let alone one hundred. Even with my library, I only need a handful of GB to build a solid player for whatever purpose would take me away from either my computer or my stream.

[Beherith]

Put linux and doom and flac support on your ipod, without itunes: http://www.rockbox.org/

[Caydr]

Wow, what an orgy of hate, I like it. Finally I can hate on something and there's no bleeding hearts.

Regarding iTunes: it is, to the best of my knowledge, somewhere around the best balance of quality (AAC @ ~225 kbps VBR), selection (only 19 songs in my collection aren't on iTunes), and lack of DRM (all files are completely copyable, playable, anywhere). I think they probably use audio watermarking, but who gives a crap, I don't PAY for music for the sake of giving it to other people, I do it because I'm slowly, slowly, turning my pirate lifestyle into a legitimate one.

So far I've bought over 70 games on Steam and another 20 on Impulse, around 300 "legit" music tracks, and two long shelves worth of anime and manga. I'm the closest to not risking RIAA/MPAA gangrape I've ever been. I've got some kind of sick personality complex that says, "maybe If I actually do what all pirates claim to do - try, then buy (emphasis on second part)" maybe more people will follow suit.

Anyway, regarding the player I use, I use a Cowon S9, whose virtues I've espoused a few times on this forum. Seriously if you're in the market for a portable media player in the next year or two, I doubt anything else will be able to come close to its feature set:

Price: $200-400
Capacity: 8-32 GB
Screen: 3.3" AMOLED*
Formats: WMA, MP3, OGG, FLAC, WAV, APE, XviD, MP4/AVC
Battery Life: 55 hours (audio), 11 hours (video)
FM Radio built-in, user-made UIs available adding every feature under the sun, gapless playback, Flash 7 player, accelerometer, ultra-customizable equalizer and audio settings, untouchable audio quality so you'll never buy another brand again. The player can be configured to either use "sync" or function as a flash drive when you plug it in, so no proprietary software needed. And the battery actually lasts 50+ hours.

*This screen looks so indescribably amazing I would seriously rather watch movies on it than on my 42" Regza.

[rattle]

but before then it really was a better product

The Zen was cheaper and better in terms of audio quality!

I don't know what I need iTunes for. I get my music through ahem and ahem and certain online stores, that mostly sell electronic music as FLAC/320 mp3, which is what I collect music in. I don't want m4as with DRM soup inside

[AF]

I don't use itunes for everyday use, I use it for my iPhone, I use winamp + VLC, and to be fair the likes of an iphone kicks the ass of any brick with a screen and a hardrive that aims to be a portable media center, precisely because the iphone/touch are so much more.

I'd like to see the Cowon S9 find your way home turn by turn, make skype calls, tell you what a song playing on the radio is, or record video. I don't like how anti apple fanbois don't treat the iphone fairly and take a handful of things it can do which are pretty generic and show off something that can do ti better, while ignoring the vast array of other things. Don't glorify the iphone, but don't trash it before you've had one in your pocket, or compare apples and bannanas.

And my 32gb ipod video is still alive and kicking after 4 years. People don't take care of their stuff these days.

Having said that, my iphone was thrown at a brick wall from 2 feet overarm, and the most it got was a volume button bent out of shape, no scratches on the back or anything (still worked perfectly too). I took it the apple store to check this was the case, and all their test confirmed it, but they didnt like the mishapen volume button, so they took it away and said, "Heres a brand new shiny iphone", and I walked out the store with a brand new phone straight from the factory.

[Caydr]

As I said, I'd love to have an iPhone because it's a cool device, as long as I wasn't then financing the sodomy of my own computers with such gems as Apple Mobile Device Service, Bonjour, Quicktime, iPod Service, Apple Software Update, iTunes Helper, and so on. All simultaneously, with no alternative for end-users that aren't comfortable with things like msconfig, and even then crying if I disable the wrong, completely irrelevant, thing. And screwing up all my media file presets for good measure.

FFS learn how to write software Apple, stop spending all your R&D money on finding new shades of lime to release shitty overpriced media players in.

Hell, even that takes second place to my favorite Apple idea of all time:

SETTING QUICKTIME AS THE DEFAULT APPLICATION FOR VIEWING JPG FILES

[AF]

Thankfully all those services can be turned off and disabled.

If anybody can suggest howto remove them completely (other than bonjour), rather than disabling them, but without nuking itunes in the process, please link

[Master-Athmos]

If it really is just about Quicktime just use the Quicktime Alternative. I don't install all the fancy Apple Quicktime stuff anymore but just that...

[AF]

To sync music with an iphone, you need itunes.

To run itunes, you need quicktime.

It's as simple as that. You need itunes to activate the thing in the first place so jailbreaking the phone is not a valid answer.

Sure you can use alternative programs to watch video, but thats not the point.

[knorke]

if iam not mistaken the iphone is quite new, some clever people will probally find an workaround.

[rattle]

To sync music with an iphone, you need itunes.

you sure that you can't just put your stuff on it directly or through MTP?