Politics.. I know.... but blah.. its important.

pintle · Post by **pintle** » 13 Oct 2006, 07:11

gbu 28 used in operation iraqi freedom iirc *goes to look throught notes*

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 13 Oct 2006, 16:57

It is becoming more and more apparent that Bush is a very paranoid man.

"Saddam is a threat to the US"
"North Korea is a threat to the US"
"Rock-throwing kids in the West Bank are a threat to the US"
"Colin Powell is a threat to the US"

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 13 Oct 2006, 17:25

SpikedHelmet wrote:It is becoming more and more apparent that Bush is a very paranoid man.

"Saddam is a threat to the US"
"North Korea is a threat to the US"
"Rock-throwing kids in the West Bank are a threat to the US"
"Colin Powell is a threat to the US"

UMM...

its not even worth arguing with you...

grow up.

quit instigating fights.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 13 Oct 2006, 21:40

Yeah, everybody knows that's not his paranoia, that's the paranoia he wants to instill in the public in order to make them surrender their liberties for safety from the "evil guys who hate our freedoms". By keeping somebody as the evil guy he can portrait himself as the hero and blame all bad things on that evil. It also works to set up a duality way of thinking in the American minds with all this us vs. them mentality. That's why e.g. conservatives call every policy they don't like "liberal", no matter if it's liberal, socialist or loony. Because the liberals are "THEY" so they obviously embody the opposite of US. We're falling back into socratic thinking where everything is clear cut, either it's absolutely evil or, if not that, perfectly good. Everything we don't like is what THEY like and THEY are all in cahoots and all work together to oppose US.

This completely ignores that THEY are not one but multiple factions each with differing viewpoints. For example, Saddam and Al Qaeda were enemies since Saddam, like any worldly dictator, doesn't like the religious people. But by grouping both into THEM that distinction was completely ignored and by removing Saddam from power Al Qaeda gained a new breeding ground.

1v0ry_k1ng · Post by **1v0ry_k1ng** » 13 Oct 2006, 22:26

north korea, afganistan etc may be up to no good but since when is it americas buisness? america are not the world police or the ruling nation. they are just a very arrogant nation that has its own picture of justice. things are far worse in irak now than they were before. now its just another ireland. bush is an idiot. attacking the east countries was a hotblooded decision after the twin towers bombing so he could remain face. fact is that america has pushed it to far now, and the east hates them. the wrong move will see america dragged into a horrific NAM II: revenge of the commies

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 13 Oct 2006, 23:29

Your above post is not only HIGHLY offensive to any America, left wing or right wing but also untrue.

I am going to go calm down then respond.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 13 Oct 2006, 23:38

well i don't think anyone can say we actually have made it a better place for the average citizen (who ISN'T dead!)

sort of dissapointing, apparently the UK govt are going to spend some money on mercs and use the british troops to actually do some of the hearts and minds shit and build roads, dig wells etc (as part of the withdrawal)
e: the westerners are 'i don't know'. Exactly the problem, spend millions on troops and weapons then maybe a hundred thousand actually making a real difference to these peoples lives!

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 13 Oct 2006, 23:44

But at least we are not TRYING to make it worse, unlike one psycotic dictator I could think of. The westeners (America, UK and so on and so forth) are...oh I don't know, building roads, schools, providing food and medicin as best thet can and so on and so forth.

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 14 Oct 2006, 03:56

Well, if its none of our business, why did we help homeless, moneyless third world kids and people who had been smashed by a badass tidal wave... We sent hundreds of tons of supplies over... What if Perhaps your country happened to be subject to an extreme freak natural disaster, I am sure you would love to get supplies... But we wouldn't come. We would ignore you.

I have a feeling "Nam II: Revenge of the Commies" would be renamed to "Nam II: Return of the nuclear bombs"

If it was my way, which it won't be..

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 14 Oct 2006, 04:33

And there was Vietnam and just recently the hunt for oil and towel heads. USA is A okay. Seriously!

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 14 Oct 2006, 04:40

US is Average, on the scale of "1984" to "The Federation...of Star Trek".

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 14 Oct 2006, 05:17

How would Nam II be revenge of the commies? They won in the first place.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 14 Oct 2006, 05:47

Something I was wondering as well.

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 14 Oct 2006, 06:25

But at least we are not TRYING to make it worse,

Okay then, America isn't evil, just unbelievably stupid.

What if Perhaps your country happened to be subject to an extreme freak natural disaster, I am sure you would love to get supplies... But we wouldn't come. We would ignore you.

Anyone else immediately think of New Orleans when reading that?

Sufficed to say, things are going downhill everywhere. If I were religious I'd say that Armageddon is coming. Warfare is sparking all over the planet -- not that it hasn't throughout human history, but the intensity of it is escalating out of control. Death squads roam Iraq at will while insurgents are crippling the Coalition's ability to maintain control, in Afghanistan, the Taliban is back on the rise and engaging in attacks not seen since it was initially invaded. Right-wing extremism has taken hold in the West as people grow increasingly terrified at the blood orgy surrounding them on all sides and seek some sort of defense against it (even to the point of emulating those same "death squads" and "terrorists" and "insurgents"). Russia is being torn apart by Nazism, China is taking over the world, one shitty country after the next is developing the bomb, world-wide poverty is increasing, the level of quality of life is decreasing, diseases is spreading, and death is everywhere.

Quite frankly, we're all fucking screwed. Whether you're a Liberal, a Democrat, a Republican, a Christian, a Right-Winger, Gay, Straight, Black, White and everything in between -- we're all going to fucking die. The world is slowly but surely breaking apart in every aspect. I expect the 21st Century is going to be the bloodiest chapter of human history, if not the last. And who is to blame? Some might say Bush, others might say Communism, others Islamism, but the fact is everybody is to blame. Some contribute more to the slaughter, some less, but we're all a collective part of the degredation happening all around us.

Candleman · Post by **Candleman** » 14 Oct 2006, 06:39

I think it's just America that is going down the drain. Everything breaks eventually, and we're far past our prime. Hopefully the next superpower is a benevolent one, and our last president doesn't decide that "It's better to burn out than to fade away" is a good way to go.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 14 Oct 2006, 06:57

Er...Spiked, I'm sorry to say, but you are WRONG WRONG WRONG! The world, I know its depressing, but its getting better. The quality of life for...lets see, 2 thirds of the planet is getting better. Hell, even the POOR of the nowadays are better taken care of then the NOBLES of the days past.

On large tracts of the planet (Not all, but large parts of it) the following is true:

Women are treated as equals (A big change from the past...4000 YEARS!)

People can vote

Race's are more equal then ever (still not equal enough, but getting closer)

Scientific progress!

Better health care (People no longer take out peoples brains and SALT THEM to cure then of a head cold. Yes, its true, just six hundred years ago and people were SALTING PEOPLE'S BRAINS!)

Unions (As compared to just a century ago, where if you got your armed ripped off by machinery, YOU had to pay the COMPANY for wrecking their machine)

Warfare is becoming more centralized. It sucks for the Middle East and Africa (where most war is centered) Its kind of neat for the rest of the world

Every generation, EVERY GOD DAMN GENERATION, says the same FUCKING THING!

"We're doomed. The singes of the apocalypse are everywhere"

A horrific plague, continual wars, constant religious terrorism, acts of barbarism that are still hard to believe. Middle East? Or middle ages? Black Death, the hundreds year war, the Eighty year war...any of this ringing a bell?

Just fifty years ago, 6 million people were marched into furnaces. Fifty years before that, 10 million + were killed over a few muddy yards of war ridden terrain.

You look into the past, and see that everything has been getting better. Its still not great, but it is better. A peasant of the past ages would see this age as a utopia...not for all, but for some. Is it a crime to think that might be enough for just a few centuries of advancement?

If you really believe the world is getting worse, please go and shoot yourself. If its getting worse compared to WWI, WWII, The Dark Ages, the Crusades and the Industrial Revolution...then I wouldn't want to live...

PS: I'd rather be a good hearted idiot, then an evil despotic madman.

Also you can still exsist and not be a 'imperial superpower'

Britan seems to be doing well, now that I think about it...

SpikedHelmet · Post by **SpikedHelmet** » 14 Oct 2006, 10:19

Wow, what world are you living on, I'd love to visit!

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 14 Oct 2006, 11:00

SpikedHelmet wrote:Wow, what world are you living on, I'd love to visit!

The west.

pintle · Post by **pintle** » 14 Oct 2006, 14:04

5% of the worlds population control 95% of the worlds wealth.
We are an incredibly priveledged minority. Helmet missed climate change off his list, that is gonna seriously screw up the 100% aid dependant nations, and a lot of the LEDCs in central africa.

As for was getting better- bs, roughly: wwII 90% military casualties, 10% civillian, Operation Iraqi Freedom 10%military 90%civillian

Decimator · Post by **Decimator** » 14 Oct 2006, 14:56

We *produce* that wealth, pintle. We buy things from other nations, giving them money. The economy is not some sort of pie where if you take a piece out the pie is smaller. We buy raw materials and fuel from various nations(yes buy, we pay through the nose to get it) and we make products out of it, thereby growing the economy and allowing whoever we're buying from to have a better life.

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