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[Anarchid]

Klap is full of it knorke is being unreasonable!

Knorke's arguments so far seem significantly more reasonable, clear and polite than some reactions to them.

[smoth]

I don't see it but honestly I am so pissed over his attitude that I am debating about what my reaction should be

[raaar]

don't take each other literally.

[FireStorm_]

@smoth

Just because he wants something to be what he wants, that does not mean it exists or is realistically feasible! Yet he cannot understand that just because he wants it all his way

Since no name is clearly mentioned in this statement, I'm again wondering: Are you referring to yourself?
(yes, I might be teasing you a bit , but I don't mean it in a harmful way)

More generally speaking:
I don't think Knorke deserves to be called some derogatory term. I think his intentions are well-meant, and it seemed to me he started out quite diligent, and that he has showed quite some patience.

Of-course I could be wrong. I noticed I already overlooked some things that where said, when formulating this post.
but I think that I'm more aware of stuff around me when I'm calm, and I'm feeling pretty calm right now.

[smoth]

I can only do so much from the control panel of moddb. I would have to make a very lengthy post explaining the how's and whys of the sites core functionality.

I don't get why he feels the need to dictate our efforts. Forb and I have a dog in this fight, he doesn't. We are both doing different approaches to putting our projects out there. Each of which represent years of work if not damn near a decade!

I possibly need to make a nice long and detailed post about posting a project on moddb but I have legitimate(IMO) concern that knorke will use that discussion as a way of further passive aggressive and/or blatant antagonization.

[FireStorm_]

I don't get why he feels the need to dictate our efforts.

Well I think that may be a key-issue: I don't think he does.
But I planned to make a model today, so I'll give it some thought while I'm going to do that now for a while.

[AF]

Is it possible to add Knorke to moddb so that he can see these settings for himself and attempt suggested changes?

[knorke]

Is it possible to add Knorke to moddb so that he can see these settings for himself and attempt suggested changes?

knorke already has an moddb account so is somewhat familiar with it.
I am not going to get involved on moddb though, just as I will not become active on google+, facebook or other sites.
Those who want profiles on these sites are responsible for them - not me, not anyone else. But if you neglate those sites then you have to live with the critic.

Technical limits are not the reason anyway.

Example, I suggested to put a note above games list, that says that the list does not cover everything.

Smoth's reason for not doing it was:
"1000 characters remaining; HTML formatting, links and line breaks are not supported - text only"
So write a text without fancy HTML formatting?

For example write:
"The list below only covers a fraction of projects using the spring engine. More can be found at the spring homepage."

Get rid of the year-old-never-happend tourney announcement on spring profile startpage, you just have to put something that is more relevant.
That is all very basic stuff.

Forb and I have a dog in this fight, he doesn't. We are both doing different approaches to putting our projects out there.

Your dogs are just another two critters in this zoo.
This affects EVERYBODY who in anyway relates to spring.
This is about spring pages, not about your private things.
If you were just doing your own sites then nobody would care.

[FLOZi]

Klap is full of it knorke is being unreasonable!

Knorke's arguments so far seem significantly more reasonable, clear and polite than some reactions to them.

Must agree.

[malric]

Klap is full of it knorke is being unreasonable!

Knorke's arguments so far seem significantly more reasonable, clear and polite than some reactions to them.

Must agree.

+1

I think Knorke is doing a good thing trying to reduce the noise regarding spring engine. Too many times I have seen on various sites old/outdated information about spring which might discourage people to try it.

[smoth]

Knorke you don't even understand why that tourney post is there and why I cannot remove it. Even if I told you I suspect you would ignore it

I get it am the bad guy or whatever. I am outta here, maybe when I am less pissed I will come back and write out the hows and whys. I DO not believe you are really interested in listening

[smoth]

Is it possible to add Knorke to moddb so that he can see these settings for himself and attempt suggested changes?

Probably. He is uninterested in it. I asked him earlier to give me a nice list he did even want to do that. I have been here trying whatever like I said I am out of this thread, I am not appending the reply here onto my above post as I CBA esp with knorke being suck a smart ass what the fuck knorke I said i could not do the blue bar and link. You said link before not plain text why are you such again, fuck it no matter what I am the asshole

[malric]

Breath in, breath out! Don't think Knorke or anybody else see you as the bad guy.

I assume the news list is aggregated from the other projects, so this is why you can't modify. Still, for example, images and videos seem not to be aggregated, and they are not that "latest". (for examples there are some images of "Complete Annihilation" - and I did not check everything).

[knorke]

You said link before not plain text

Think about what would be the purpose of such message, not how excactly you format it. Have the link as plain text or just write "spring homepage" if nothing else is possible.
Do you need/want everything to be broken down to smallest detail like this?

Knorke you don't even understand why that tourney post is there and why I cannot remove it.

Both you and Forb have accounts and supposedly know how to use moddb. The post is from Forbs profile so should have some control over it.
I do not know what excactly is possible, but any of these things must work:
a) Post something new that then will be on front page.
Forb did excactly that for a while before he moved to google+, so it has worked in the past.

...if that does not work then
b) post something new from other account/profile

...if that does not work then
c) edit the post to show something else. Silly, but if that is what it takes?

...if that does not work then
d) ask an moddb admin to take care of it

...if that does not work then
e) that would mean this is basically the worst site ever and nobody should use it.

[CarRepairer]

Wow. Guys. Knorke doesn't deserve this. He made a valid point in this topic and all you guys do is act but hurt because you feel he attacked your work/efforts.

Agree.

Imo what you do with these sites is close to trolling/sabotaging whole spring but nobody else seems to be bothered enough to weight in, so carry on.

I have read the thread and I agree with you, knorke. Consider this me weighing in that I want you to continue to pursue the problem.

My own perspective: I came here late 2007 and I knew the game was an RTS engine called Spring. I didn't even know who "TAS" was in TASClient and TASMapMaker for a while. Yet still to this day, people show up in the forums and #main and say "Hi is this taspring? I'm new." I want to scream, but calmly ask them where they are getting this word taspring. They always point to some random hole in the shadows of the internet that lead them here

Please fix this problem. Nothing against facebook, moddb and g+, just link more, copypaste less.

[Forboding Angel]

@Forb
Since I see no moderator acting on it, I became uncertain of the meaning about a term you used. So I'll ask politely: What does "stfu" mean?
And I have another question if you don't mind answering it. You used the word productive, so I wonder: How would you define the word Counter-productive, if you are familiar with it?

stfu = shut the *** up

In this case, counter productive would be bitching and moaning as knorke is doing, while ignoring anyone telling you that things are being done in the background and to just be patient. Sometimes things are put into place before they start being put to use.

Counter-Productive is not offering to help the situation. In most cases in spring, you have 1 or 2 guys taking on monumental tasks. These tasks cannot be completed in a day, or 5 or even a month, as a result, you can whine and bitch about it as much as you like, but all it will accomplish is pissing off everyone who is being productive and working towards and end-goal.

I'll end with this... Be patient. A lot of things will make more sense semi-soon, but I can't clone myself, smoth can't clone himself, and neither can anyone else here clone themselves.

It would be similar to me coming in the BAR forum and starting bitching about how this isn't done or that isn't done, or why is it not out yet, why isn't any marketing being done, why aren't there being screenshots shown yet, etc etc etc. That is a direct equivalent.

[PicassoCT]

The patience with dead links and outdated news costs us potential players, who otherwise would somehow find the comunity to be active and thriving.

Also proof of things beeing done with timestamp or it didnt happen.

And you know forb, nobody is calling you lazy. In fact, i think you are quite the counter example here, you organise community events. You do vid-livestreams and smoth does vid-tutorials. But you are not shiva. You dont have that many arms. Fork(Forb) wont work.
So something drops on the priority list - which is all to human. Unfortunatly, this dropped item, might be the first and last thing seen by some stranger.
So no, i dont think knorke wants to bring anyone down. Allthough i think his "Cut it all away" sollution to drastic.
But it would be good if there was some auto-link popping up in the news, pointing to somewhere where comunity life is ongoing.
Or get feeds from somewhere, where stuff happens. Might autoconvert the irc-channel log during a Evo-tourney to a news-itme or add youtube coments to google+ etc..

And if nothing note-worthy happens, cause wip, show them where we bitch and rant about the wip. Which is here.
Better have a evo player stored in zk or Bar- where he is just a channel away, then have him in PA a gaming galaxy away.

[Anarchid]

My deformed psyche whispers to me that if some kind of labour is too tedious to be done reliably by fallible humans, it should be done by infallible machines.

How plausible is to automate an SpringInfo -> ModDB uplink? I couldn't find any easy API, but a bot of some kind still could do it.

After all... that beats working.

[AF]

My deformed psyche whispers to me that if some kind of labour is too tedious to be done reliably by fallible humans, it should be done by infallible machines.

How plausible is to automate an SpringInfo -> ModDB uplink? I couldn't find any easy API, but a bot of some kind still could do it.

After all... that beats working.

Amen to that, but it would need to post to the individual games not the engine, and most active games aren't listed there last I checked. Maybe if moddb could read in an RSS feed it would work, if so PM me and we can hash something out. Otherwise I'm unaware of any remote posting APIs. If there was then I'm sure it would be useful for desirable and indiedb too

[PicassoCT]

Haha, anarchid. Thats so true. Robots are cool - not only if your lazy and selling -------. Somebody at springinfo once said about this: