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tombom · Post by **tombom** » 26 Sep 2007, 09:12

I just listed names that were involved specifically in the last incident with Tired, certainly argh, AF, caydr, spiked, fang, even peet

Peet
Lobby moderator

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 26 Sep 2007, 09:27

And a solid Lobby Moderator Peet is!

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 26 Sep 2007, 10:09

I think if attacks are shut down fast enough it won't result in return flaming.

AF · Post by AF » 26 Sep 2007, 10:15

swiftspear.

a large proportion of major forum goers explosions is preventable. People who normally would not explode but have been driven into outbursts in defence.

And the vast majority of causes are all the same and always have been. And they get away with it. Its ok to bend the rules here because there's no penalty.

Should we outright bana s you make out we're advocating? No.

A 3 strikes rule is enough. IIRC a 3 strikes rule is in place. Is it adhered to? No.

If I rack up 2 strikes in a day I just wait 48 hours and they're gone.

What form does moderation currently take

thread locks: these can arguably help a troller, they have little effect and their main role is not moderation but forum clean up.

tempbans: If I break the rules I'm fine. If I break the rules repeatedly in quick succession Im fine. If I take a tank and charge across the line I *might* temp banned followed by a short period of immunity.

permabans: If I charge over the line in a tank again and again and again say around 5 times all in succession? Im perma-banned. If I space out the charges by about 2 weeks I get away with it though.

If moderation is seen as weak or soft, people will try to circumvent it. People test limits to see how far they can go.

I agree with warlord when eh says that thigns need to change. Our current model has failed catastrophically to address or even acknowledge the core problems and their causes. We have the same issues plaguing us as we did before the holistic approach was announced and if anything the real issue has gotten worse.

Our current approach treats he effect not the cause and does nothing to prevent the biggest blow outs, despite them being very easy to prevent. What's more the approach actually aides some trollers by becoming an effective means of turning a critical hit into a second critical hit, aswell as an own goal for the moderators.

However right now it seems the moderators arent truly listening and instead making out that we're in two groups

A) Grow a thick skin! There is no problem!

or

B) We want Nazi snipers, wield the ban stick like a dictator, HEIL HITLER!!!

And as long as this is how its treated this problem will persist for years. And it will, it has already persisted for 2 years perpetuated by some rather well known forum names, albeit not exactly high profile, who have even posted in this thread!.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 26 Sep 2007, 11:10

AF wrote:A) Grow a thick skin! There is no problem!

I agree that this should not be forum policy.

However, it shouldn't be the moderator's role to protect certain people who are hyper-sensitive from perceived insults that everyone else sees as normal discussion

And as long as this is how its treated this problem will persist for years. And it will, it has already persisted for 2 years perpetuated by some rather well known forum names, albeit not exactly high profile, who have even posted in this thread!.

*wonders if I am a well known forum name, albeit not exactly high profile*

Tired · Post by **Tired** » 26 Sep 2007, 12:45

I, on the other hand, would be one of the high profile forum names.

Neddie, I'm glad that you, the rookie, are so raring to go, and certain that, largely through your own inspired initiative and drive, the forums are going to become a more splendifirous place than they ever were before... wait, I've seen this movie before.

Come get some. =)

AF · Post by AF » 26 Sep 2007, 13:32

I agree there are hypersenstivie people out there but at the same time there are thick skinned people who've been prodded for such a long time that their armour has cracked and those little prods are now doing critical hits.

All perfectly preventable. A lot of those prods could be eradicated by warning some people, and doing it so that an example is set. We do not want to perpetuate this pattern.

clericvash · Post by **clericvash** » 26 Sep 2007, 14:02

Exactly, AF has it to the point. Something needs to be done not to protect content developers there should not be above the law, but something needs to be done to stop the people who attack them, a simple "if not interested or have nothing useful to say in a mod or map topic, don't post at all" if if not followed major warnings should ensue, that would make a lot of content people happier.

AF · Post by AF » 26 Sep 2007, 14:06

Indeed, its not just content developers who're prone to these things, and any attempt to prioritize them would in itself be a problem and a source for resentment.

In the meantime Ill be spending the rest fo today looking for whatever cleric put in my cup of tea this morning......

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 26 Sep 2007, 17:10

clericvash wrote:Exactly, AF has it to the point. Something needs to be done not to protect content developers there should not be above the law, but something needs to be done to stop the people who attack them, a simple "if not interested or have nothing useful to say in a mod or map topic, don't post at all" if if not followed major warnings should ensue, that would make a lot of content people happier.

Sure.

However, this must not protect content creators from criticism, even if the content creator believes that the criticism is invalid, unwarranted, or that the critics are out to get him.

clericvash · Post by **clericvash** » 26 Sep 2007, 17:30

Yes i agree with that completely, criticism is what drives people usually to make something better. There should be rules on how people give it though, as a lot of people just swear, bitch and post junk rather than give actual criticism.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 26 Sep 2007, 19:01

There is a rule already. Only constructive criticism is allowed.

clericvash · Post by **clericvash** » 26 Sep 2007, 19:54

Back to my point ealier, the rules are a joke. they are not enforced, people bitch. moan and post crap, creator gets annoyed, creator gets the slap.

It needs to end. Moderation needs to happen on this forum.

Tired · Post by **Tired** » 26 Sep 2007, 20:19

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm in the mood for a little backseat modding. =)

Mods, ban everyone in this thread. If you don't, then I'll be very cross with you and cluck like a chicken.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 26 Sep 2007, 20:55

Heh, the moderation here is complete phail, and as I stated long long ago, that failure will eventually spell the death of this community (assuming the current bullmilk is allowed to continue).

tombom · Post by **tombom** » 26 Sep 2007, 21:03

Forboding Angel wrote:Heh, the moderation here is complete phail, and as I stated long long ago, that failure will eventually spell the death of this community (assuming the current bullmilk is allowed to continue).

I think under any serious attempt at good moderation you'd end up getting banned pretty regularly for your angry outbursts with no provocation.

No offence. Seriously. I appreciate all the stuff you do but you are somewhat rude at times.

DemO · Post by **DemO** » 26 Sep 2007, 21:23

Seems to me that more or less all of the people that are protesting about the current state of moderation are people that are developing things on the Spring engine.

Why is this?

clericvash · Post by **clericvash** » 26 Sep 2007, 21:25

That is because no offense to everyone else, but from what i have seen, the content creators and devs are nicer and more respectable than most of the forum population.

And for the fact that they create for us, and all most people do is bitch at them, call them crap, you shouldn't need an answer, me and others have said it all if you bothered to read through this topic.

AF · Post by AF » 26 Sep 2007, 21:32

I think forebodings point still stands. There are people who value the community above themselves and would have no problem pushing for better rules even if they know it means theyre going to be caught by them and made an example of. And by my reasoning effective enforcement would prevent many such outbursts occurring in the first place.

clericvash · Post by **clericvash** » 26 Sep 2007, 21:35

AF as much as we both want it, it will never happen, the mods just don't seem to actually want to use their power to help the community.

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