Talon

[PauloMorfeo]

Not enough units for AA, are you crazy!

Then we are talking about diferent things. I was talking about the build-tree. Not enough variety is diferent.

Still, i think it could be doable for most mods (especially to XvM which has low ammount ot tech).

[Guessmyname]

I'm fairly certain that Tro would rather shoot himself than let Cadyr try to balance it...

[AF]

I am dead against Talon being an AA race, and would rather it was in its own mod with other 3rd party TA races or with XTA. If Talon was just moved into AA then it would be cheapened and borked beyond repair. I'd seriously consider taking Talon myself and putting it in another mod or a mod of itself maybe with TLL if such an event happened.

[BigSteve]

Having the new race in any of the TA mods would be awesome, be it xta, aa, or any of the ota ones.
The units look brilliant, obviously it would take a while to balance but I think it'd definatley be worth it.

I cant see how it would it be cheapened and borked beyond repair in aa AF. If im not mistaken you throw your toys outta the pram everytime someone even constructively criticises you, so do everyone a favour and keep stupid comments like that to your highly irritating self mmmk.

Anyway gj to TRO, that stuff looks great.

[hrmph]

So who is in charge of the spring version? And whats is the ETA for a release?

[AF]

Bigsteve stop flamebaiting.

AAs balance methodology isnt something I'd like to see exposed to Talon. Wether that methodology works is another matter, and even if everyone agreed it was perfection then I'd still be against it.

There's a chance Talon + TLL could become a succesful mod if done right. Inclusion with AA would rather just give a big uproar by a lot of AA players and the changes a 3rd race would require for arm and core and talon.

Then thee's caydr, he's made it clear where he's pushing AA, and gone as far as changing its name to Abolition (IIRC), and has repeatedly stated he's moving away from OTA, so an OTA style race with OTA gameplay would have to be changed alot to fit in.

Then there's the internal wrangling over balance within the AA community itself. If I'm not mistaken, AA is the only mod that has sprung off a side mod for the single purpose of fixing balance issues, namely Balanced Annihilation, and that side mod has been more succesful than all the AA variants put together, including a number of variants included with the core AA download..

Then there's the blatant disregard for the opinion of talons creators who have yet to say anything about AA inclusion despite you vehemently defending it.

But suffice to say Talon would be changed greatly if it where in AA, it will need to be or AA Arm + AA Core will be unbalanced with Talon.

It also nukes any legal GPL status Talon may have in the future.

[BigSteve]

ROFL.

/ignore

[AF]

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[Guessmyname]

TLL vs Talon vs Rumad

*shudders with the anticipation of awesome things to come*

[Machiosabre]

4. Back seat moderation will not be allowed to bring threads off topic.

OH SHI-

[AF]

I thought the creators of rumad hadnt given any permission, and where out of contact?

[Gundam]

is really that easy to add some compatible mod to play with another mod even spring can have unlimited races ?

[FoeOfTheBee]

is really that easy to add some compatible mod to play with another mod even spring can have unlimited races ?

Yes - the hard part is balancing them to be playable.

[hrmph]

Any chance of getting an alpha Talon only mod?

[DemO]

Of course integrating Talon into a current mod would require that changes in balance be made - you cant just add a whole third race and expect it to magically balance itself in with the others in any given mod. I assume AF doesnt want to see Talon changed remotely and thus doesnt want to see it in AA, but the same would apply if it was moved into XTA or another mod.

Personally I dont see why changing the stats of units from the Talon race is such a big deal, if it was allowed to be integrated into mods like AA/XTA. The main concepts for each unit would no doubt stay the same, the models would stay the same, the sounds would stay the same, only its impossible to avoid the need for the default statistics for the units to be changed if they are integrated into a mod that they wern't solely designed around.

AF i dont get why you dont realise that. If Talon was to remain unchanged as far as unit stats go, then all other units in whatever mod it is part of would require to be modified AROUND the Talon race, which no doubt would be much harder and much more work than fine-tuning the unit stats within the race itself.

[AF]

Talon wasnt originally created and balanced to the AA mod, and as such OTA balance is much closer to the Talon balance, and as such the encessary changes wouldnt be as great.

Considering that most 3rd party races are balanced to the OTA arm and core, I believe that adding these races together would be the best choice.

With AA you have the issue of an extra major tier to make new units for and then the need for a miriad of new units to counter the miriad of untis caydr added to arm and core, whereas XTA would require that the Talon starting unit build lvl 2 and 1 factories and that unit stats be tweaked somewhat to prevent overpoweredness.

Combining Talon and the other 3rd party races would give the newest, freshest, mod choice available, while keeping Talon as close to what was originally intended by its creators with no major design decisions changed for compatability reasons. It would also prevent any future GPL status from being nuked.

That and imo adding talon to AA would actually fragment and damage the already fragmented AA playerbase and community.

And if you noticed Arm and Core arent quite at peace balance wise in 2.23 as it is without talon being thrown into the mix, every AA game with decent AA players I've played has been dominated by swarms of jeffies and weasels and instigators followed by 5 or 6 goliaths by the winning team 40 minutes later.. And dont deny it, this issue has spawned Balanced Annihilation, an entire mod.

[TheRegisteredOne]

beh beh... i dont like the units in aa. depends on what what noruas is willing to do, talon + tll could work, or just talon

[Neddie]

I say Talon and 1944. Nobody would mess with alternative history again.

"Are those the Italian units?"

Honestly it would make a good side in Absolute Annihilation, or with TLL. If it was added to XTA I would actually be disappointed - I left XTA behind a long time ago, and it remains the only major mod I haven't played online for three months.

[Strategia]

I say Talon and 1944. Nobody would mess with alternative history again.

"Are those the Italian units?"

"New Soviet Secret Weapon Deployed in Europe - Brave American soldiers have spotted what appeared to be a massive, fearsome tank with multiple heat-ray cannons, which has wiped out an entire German panzer division on its own. It is suspected to be a new secret weapon of the Soviet Union, who will neither confirm nor deny this. More info as the story progresses.""

[PauloMorfeo]

... talon + tll could work, ...

Since i am working on balancing TLL (and a few changes), i could have a go at that some time in the future.