new map with swampyness

[smoth]

it shouldn't matter, the map height values in the compiler are irrelevant beyond springlobby/tasclient's preview stuff. I ignore them in my maps. honestly.

[zwzsg]

-i inverts the top-down of the image, it doesn't invert the greyscale.
(Actually, without -i, the texture and heightmap have to be inverted 180° or something to each other, and -i make them non-inverted)

What's so hard about loading your heightmap in an image editor and invert blackness-whiteness?

[smoth]

for raws, it isn't that simple but I doubt this is a raw source

[zwzsg]

Oh right, now I realized why I disliked mapoptions.lua - its difficult to test through spring.exe. Default enabled are different when launched from lobby compared to spring.exe. Test from lobby, as that is what the players will see.

There is no default set when run from Spring.exe

Make sure your gadget or whatever that use Spring.GetMapOptions() handles nil. If you don't, then the map will bug outs when run via Spring.exe. Actually that's where you set your default for when run via Spring.exe. For exemple: local myOption = Spring.GetMapOptions()["yourfield"] or DefaultValue

[dansan]

testing directly in spring works fine

How do you do that? (I want to confirm.)

OT: cascading configs are good for automagic parsing and generating by software and (mostly) confusing for humans. IMO include statements are sane, when they incl. only files with a certain .EXT

[zwzsg]

Also, why bother with mapoptions if you're making a simple map?

Remove mapoptions.lua and all of /LuaGaia/ and /mapconfig/ from the blueprint if you're making a simple, optionless, map. All I'd say you'd really need from the blueprint is to get the mapinfo.lua in replacement of the smd.

[zoggop]

Heh, the only reason I didn't remove LuaGaia and mapconfig is that I was afraid of breaking things. If it shouldn't affect what I've got, then away it goes. (Though at some point in the future rain would be cool.)

dansan: I ran the map without a lobby just be running the Spring executable, selecting a mod, a map, and an AI, and hitting "Test the Game". Now that I know the map gets loaded differently from the lobby, I'll test that way. I still don't really understand why the heightmap's values get inverted at all. I mean, I didn't compile it that way, and it's set to false in the mapoptions.

[zoggop]

Also, Beherith, yes, I'm still getting the grass bug. It might not be an issue with the map at all, rather just an issue with that computer and grass (I don't think I had ever turned it on before). I would just go test it on other maps, but that computer isn't accessible today.

[dansan]

dansan: I ran the map without a lobby just be running the Spring executable, selecting a mod, a map, and an AI, and hitting "Test the Game".

I tried that, and it didn't change from green to blue.

[zoggop]

The water should be green. It's the first screenshot I've seen in which the map looks how it should! Whether it looks good or not, is up for debate, however...

[SirArtturi]

zoggop, I already gave you dark green water settings. You tried them?

btw, map doesn't launch at all for me -- from spring.exe.

[zoggop]

Yeah, I used those settings except I divided the absorption numbers by two because I wanted the metal spots to be somewhat visible under the water.

Doesn't launch? Wtf.

[smoth]

Different water render...

Did you use the stuff I setup or was I wasting time?

[SirArtturi]

Hmm, actually you could darken my settings (surface color) even more to make it look more swampy. Those settings are straightly from TheRockJungle map.

[SirArtturi]

Again, what I recommend, is that you do a complete, working, non-buggy, proper adjusted (meaning that it looks like you wanted) smf map with smd settings, no lua, just specular map and detailtextures included.

After that you can advance.

[zoggop]

smoth, chillax. i just haven't had the time to do another release of the map. i fully intend to use your work.

[zoggop]

http://api2.ge.tt/0/8p0D7JB/0/blob/download

Well, I seem to have fixed the heightmap inversion and the start locations not being parsed by springlobby. Smoth's splats have been incorperated. I did some tweaks to the water appearance and the grass. The water's absorb, base color, and surface alpha have no effect for me, so water may look different than it does for me:

(Yes, the grass bug is still there for me if I'm zoomed out more.)

[Cheesecan]

The best part about this map are the metal spots which look very good, too bad you didn't put the same amount of detail into the rest of the "swamp".

I wouldn't use L3DT, speaking as someone who bought the Pro version, it's probably the hardest tool to get a nice result from. As you could see the details in the basic L3DT materials is very low, and to make it worse you have an artificial resolution limit in the trial. Take a look at Carrara 3D or the World in Conflict editor for better textures.

[SirArtturi]

Don't worry about the grass bug. It's something engine related.

[dansan]

V 0.6.1 looks very nice nice now for me, when started from sl. (startpos & mapinfo are good too)