Relieve your hate of Microsoft

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 19 Jul 2009, 08:08

Now seriously - let┬┤s look why didn┬┤t linux distrus never defeated windows? Bad Service? NoobSecurity? Or General Risk Shydom of Humanity? I think the Best Way to have Linux in Sucess, is to sneak it into the WindowsSystem, like Java... one update more, just one more, click-ity-clack - hit the little AGB-Beatbox- and congrats you installed linuxdistru as a parallel OS, offering you to switch after every nervous breakdown of ***dows made entirly without win.

Gertkane · Post by **Gertkane** » 20 Jul 2009, 10:21

Macs = Fashion/Fags
Linux = Freaks
Windows = Common man

Post by **SpliFF** » 27 Jul 2009, 11:08

Windows is living proof that people are idiots.

For that matter so is Internet Explorer. For 10 years now running explorer and outlook on the Internet has been a big flag saying 'install malware on my computer' and every day literally thousands of windows computers are being totally reinstalled (with data loss) because Microsoft couldn't decide where the OS ends and applications begin.

I remember the days when installing a program on a Mac meant literally copying the programs files into any folder and running it. Windows and its fucking registry, com classes, system-wide dlls and crap ensure that only the smallest shareware applications or specially crafted 'portable' apps have any chance of running without clogging up the system with more shit.

Don't get me started on Outlook. Apart from the fact people can just email a virus and infect you the current version and the next both render HTML like it's still 1990 and HTML is a new thing.

Then there's the bloat! OMFG have you ever looked at the source code Outlook generates to send a plain text email? Check it out:

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Hi X,

Thanks.
The GM is going to have a look at the sites and get back to me.

However he is on leave this week and just rang to say he has received a letter requiring him to attend Jury Duty next week.

So it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can get back to you.

From my perspective I think there are elements of the X and X sites that are appealing.

Cheers,
X
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I think that pretty much sums it up. Everything about Microsoft is bloated and obsolete but dumb fucks don't know any better. The only thing windows does better is games and that's only because game publishers target its market share. It is not a reflection on the quality of the operating system.

Gertkane · Post by **Gertkane** » 27 Jul 2009, 14:20

Everything about Microsoft is bloated and obsolete but dumb fucks don't know any better.

Stopped taking seriously from this point onwards. Microsoft has its faults and to admit the truth, a lot of them, but they have also done much right. You seem like a disgruntled mac boy. If macs were as common as windows equipped pcs trust me you would see alot more viruses for your macs, as virus creators and writers also target the most profitable audience. Mac has had its security vulnerabilities that easily allowed total control which took a year or more to fix.

From what i understand, your gripes about windows could all be overcome with proper configuration but that does not seem to be an option for you thanks to misinformation / lack of knowledge. This is called not knowing. Fact is windows offers most compatibility, most user-friendliness and the least amount of e-douchebags per 1000 users.

Post by **SpliFF** » 28 Jul 2009, 05:27

I supply technical proof that MS write bloated software and you answer with a litany of assumptions and incorrect statements. The first of which is that I'm a Mac user. I'm not.

"Windows offers most compatibility"... Really? Compatibility with what? I hope you don't mean standards or other operating systems. If you mean amount of software I think you'll find that is questionable as well unless you phrase it as "most compatibility with COMMERCIAL software". Linux users are hardly concerned by this since there are 10's of thousands of free software alternatives to practically any piece of software you could name. Even on Windows I've already ditched Media Player, IE, Explorer (the shell), Photoshop, Illustrator, Outlook and Office for free alternatives. In addition I can run most Windows software (even Office) under linux (Wine) at native speeds but I certainly can't do the same in reverse.

Your claim about Macs being as vulnerable as Windows (but not targeted as much due to marketshare) has been professionally discredited many times before. Many of windows vulnerabilities stem directly from poor choices like the sloppy integration of Internet functions into components with system privileges and running useless services by default. A pure technical evaluation (like probing with Nessus/Metasploit) can compare apples-to-apples without accounting for popularity and the fact remains that these tools consider windows to have moderate protection at best.

The misinformation is your own. Have you actually used MacOS or Linux system in the last 12 months? On the other hand I use, configure and repair all 3 systems in my day-to-day work and I still contend that only idiots and gamers use Windows (and gamers are moving to consoles anyway).

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 28 Jul 2009, 06:17

Ehhh...you're both making pretty generous use of logical fallacies.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 28 Jul 2009, 06:50

ha ha this thread is still going? HA HA HA HA HA

you N***ERS are postin in a troll thread

Post by **SpliFF** » 28 Jul 2009, 07:14

Peet, I don't see how. It IS a fact that MS integrated internet operations into the shell and help systems and it's also widely documented that this precipitated a whole generation of browser/email delivered malware. It's a fact that most MS tools generate invalid or non-standard formats. It's a fact (which I've personally verified) that several security tools report default Windows installations as exploitable. MS might be correcting some of this now but they still have a long way to go.

This isn't an emotional issue for me except where I have to develop a website or email newsletter and MS products don't render them correctly. Other than that it's just my observation over many years that Windows/Office/Media Player etc are unreliable, insecure and openly hostile to efforts to develop cross-platform standards. This costs my clients money and sometimes it can be difficult to recover the difference (ignorant clients rarely understand that IE/OE are nightmares to develop for). This is also a fact, not opinion, which is easily verifiable by searching for 'ie bugs' or 'ie rendering problem'.

I run a mixed environment of Win/Linux. Win for games, Linux for everything else, and I can't really see Windows as anything but a great consumer con. Sure that is an opinion but I'm hardly lacking credible and verifiable reasons for forming that opinion in the first place.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 28 Jul 2009, 07:21

I remember the days when installing a program on a Mac meant literally copying the programs files into any folder and running it. Windows and its fucking registry, com classes, system-wide dlls and crap ensure that only the smallest shareware applications or specially crafted 'portable' apps have any chance of running without clogging up the system with more shit.

As an actual ex-Mac guy... right on, right on. I'm lighting a lighter for that, you're totally singing my song.

Problem is, I switched to Windows because Macs quit being like that, with OSX, and I don't like paying 75% more for everything just to have a nicer-looking shell.

This is one area where Windows just keeps getting worse. However, Linux isn't a superior model. Anything so Balkanized that you have to compile from source to vaguely ensure that software will operate will always remain primarily a geek toy.

I wonder if maybe with Chrome, Google will get it right. More bloat in some ways, but modular support for applications developers, so that eventually, you're just stringing together some Gears with small callin / callout behavior and voila, working applications that do something useful... and if there are Gears to do things that demand efficiency, like gaming-level graphics, it could be a winner.

No more giant databases, Registry hell, or compile-it-yourself nonsense. Just get the application, get the Gears it needs, and it works, period.

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 28 Jul 2009, 13:13

Argh wrote:Problem is, I switched to Windows because Macs quit being like that, with OSX

Hmm....all my experience with my dad's g5 has told me otherwise. I actually really like the system they have designed there - single drag-and-drop application packages that are actually archives which can be browsed and modified by the Finder, are runnable with a double-click, and which contain most of a program's required data and executable files.

Super Mario · Post by **Super Mario** » 28 Jul 2009, 17:50

WTF? This thread is still going? Man, give it rest guys and stop taking this anti-Microsoft so seriously.

Otherside · Post by **Otherside** » 28 Jul 2009, 18:30

windows 7 feels good man

PicassoCT · Post by **PicassoCT** » 28 Jul 2009, 18:42

me seconds argh, hate the new install->SoftwareSnwoball starts rolling-> Windows turning into a Scrapheapavalanch-> format C: ->new install (loop)

Gertkane · Post by **Gertkane** » 10 Aug 2009, 10:44

SpliFF wrote:I supply technical proof that MS write bloated software ....

If you call that technical proof i suggest you actually hit up and educate yourself on the matter. Since you don't seem to have any higher education i can't blame you for not knowing the difference.

SpliFF wrote:"Windows offers most compatibility"... Really? Compatibility with what? I hope you don't mean standards or other operating systems. If you mean amount of software I think you'll find that is questionable as well unless you phrase it as "most compatibility with COMMERCIAL software"...

Compatibility with ALL software. Maybe you run your Counterstrike servers at home just fine but i set up, take over and administer on networks from small offices to factories. Most of production software is either MS Windows only or ported to other OS-s as an afterthought. The result is that every time either a linux distro or osx update has come in, very important parts have been broken. With linuxes and regular unix systems (i.e. FreeBSD) updating has usually broken the application or system and will need much more effort to set up again. OSX has had a habit of just messing up Samba filesharing and running MySQL and PHP systems on the same box.

If you want to try saying "oh use a windows emulator" then just throw that shit out the window, i don't want to hear it.

SpliFF wrote:Your claim about Macs being as vulnerable as Windows (but not targeted as much due to marketshare) ...

Never made such a claim, but yeah, whatever.

SpliFF wrote:The misinformation is your own. Have you actually used MacOS or Linux system in the last 12 months? ...

Actually yes, the largest network i manage is comprised of 20-30 computers, including FreeBSD servers, an XServe and lots and lots of pc-s. PCs have been buggy in the start but have given me literally no trouble when updates have been neccessary, or moving servers and databases.

Once you stop thinking like your 3 computers in the bedroom are a real life network then start talking.

Anything so Balkanized that you have to compile from source to vaguely ensure that software will operate will always remain primarily a geek toy.

This is why i dislike linux and unix based systems. If set up by douchebags its sucks to be the person coming in later when the creators have vanished and try to fix shit on a custom-packaged installation/set-up.

tizbac · Post by **tizbac** » 10 Aug 2009, 10:53

Gertkane wrote:If you want to try saying "oh use a windows emulator" then just throw that shit out the window, i don't want to hear it.

1. What does mean WINE? Answer: It means Wine is Not an Emulator, it is like mono or java , just a framework that implements windoze api on unix , the code runs on the machine natively and sometimes it works better than native windoze

So you can't call it an emulator and works like native.

Most servers uses linux or unix, google included.
Windoze can't even act as wifi access point or gateway

Raghna · Post by **Raghna** » 10 Aug 2009, 11:11

Microsoft ftw

Macs = scaM = iSuckmonkeyballs

People crying about their PC not working correctly with Windows is because they're to retarded to decently use a computer, and keep pressing the 'download virus' button. If you can't handle that form of intelligence, get yourself a gaymac and play some minesweeper... oh, nevermind that last one.

tizbac · Post by **tizbac** » 10 Aug 2009, 11:16

Windows itself is a virus, so by inserting the cd you press the download virus button

Gertkane · Post by **Gertkane** » 10 Aug 2009, 12:25

tizbac wrote:
Gertkane wrote:If you want to try saying "oh use a windows emulator" then just throw that shit out the window, i don't want to hear it.
1. What does mean WINE? Answer: It means Wine is Not an Emulator, it is like mono or java , just a framework that implements windoze api on unix , the code runs on the machine natively and sometimes it works better than native windoze
So you can't call it an emulator and works like native.

Most servers uses linux or unix, google included.
Windoze can't even act as wifi access point or gateway

Wine is an emulator in the meaning that it emulates the windows environment. It is not a solution. If your workplace has some mac based apps and you occasionally need to use Windows based programs then wine might work well for you. If your workplace only uses Windows based apps then i see no reason to get a mac+wine combo just to run things on a sub-par level with much higher computer knowledge required for the regular joe.

Don't get me wrong people. I have no quarrel with the claims that MS constantly releases buggy software. What makes it better than lets say linux, is that once a complicated matter arises, you do not need to be a basement-dwelling e-god to fix shit for the end-user.

tizbac · Post by **tizbac** » 10 Aug 2009, 13:30

You don't know how windows works, wine is just a reimplementation of windoze DLLs such as ntdll.dll , kernel32.dll etc that instead of using windows NT kernel, they uses the linux kernel, read documentation better
Wine DLLs are also used in ReactOS, that is completely opensource windows that runs natively but instead of using linux kernel, it uses a new kernel and parts of wine to implement the API

Gertkane · Post by **Gertkane** » 11 Aug 2009, 00:31

So they can effectively run old CNC workshop programs, CAD tools, 3D Modelling for parts and pieces without slowdown from native Windows? Does it really have no compatibility issues?

Seriously, im not convinced its more efficient to run unixes or linuxes instead of Windows in an environment where IT skills are sub-par. People i work day-in-day-out would have a hard time using unix or linux distros (tho ubuntu with gnome is not that bad really, for home use).

EDIT: And its still an emulator. It emulates parts of windows environment therefore it is an emulator still, as much as you would like to skew the definition.

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