European Elitiests suck

[Strategia]

Who the fuck cares about past crimes to give some moral high ground to some country, what matters is if they have learned anything since.

Good point, if anyone would have ever bothered to learn from history.

[smokingwreckage]

All we learn from history is that no-one learns anything from history, unfortunately.

[Gota]

No, you're not equal, as I pointed out. Overall I think the USA is guilty of lesser and fewer crimes.

Neither americans or europeans should point the finger. They both did a lot of bad things. But they should both be aware of them.I do not know many americans, but sometimes I get the impression that too many think that USA is less quilty and thus it doesn't matter what bad things they did. And as someone said "Those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it".

And also, about how the bad europeans didn't do anything to the nazi regime, it's more or less the same as the americans did after WWII with the communists. Did they care people where deported by the russians by hundred of thousands ? For sure in East Europe nobody saw that . They gave the communists half of Europe and slept well. Again, I do not wish to say Europe is better. I think all are almost as bad .

It is not the same.
There are differances.
#1 the us did pressure the communists all around the borders of the communist empires including armed resistance...
#2 US did not give the Soviets half of Europe.
It saved half of Europe from the Soviets.
#3 when the 2 armies met the soviets had several million troops on standby.
Sure,the US had an atomic bomb and the soviet troops were exhausted but what would they do?nuke Europe?

[malric]

It is not the same.
There are differances.
#1 the us did pressure the communists all around the borders of the communist empires including armed resistance...
#2 US did not give the Soviets half of Europe.
It saved half of Europe from the Soviets.
#3 when the 2 armies met the soviets had several million troops on standby.
Sure,the US had an atomic bomb and the soviet troops were exhausted but what would they do?nuke Europe?

The comment was about Europe 'doing nothing' to the germans shortly before WWII....

1 - europeans also fought when the germans attacked. And the some, also the russians.

2 - probably, still that is not doing something.

3 - probably, still that is not doing something.

I do not know what US could do, I do not know what 'europe' could do. Even now people get killed in a lot of places, but they are 'liberated' mostly if the country has some nice natural resource .

So, my opinion is that US is not an (ideal) knight, out to do good, for the sake of good. It just do what is it's best interest, and that's normal.

[Gota]

Of course..but a democratic country is,at least to some extant,the country of all of the people living in it so maybe you can say that if a lot of people in the us think they are in iraq to liberate it and want to liberate it than to some extant that is the purpose of the war...

I think like in all cases it is a mix of a lot of things both selfish and unselfish reasons.

[Strategia]

#2 US did not give the Soviets half of Europe.
It saved half of Europe from the Soviets.

There are voices claiming the Allies, notably the Americans, could have rushed to Berlin before the Soviets did, and hence prevent the whole East Germany thing (what would instead have happened is up for debate, for all we know it could've led to a bloody extension of the war). Patton's armies, after liberating France, were itching to rush into Germany, but he was held back by the supreme commander (Eisenhower, IIRC?) and Montgomery, who both wanted to form a unified from with the American (Patton) and British (Montgomery) armies. This led to a delay of (IIRC) several weeks, which allowed the Soviets to capture Berlin and "liberate" almost half of Germany before they met the Allied advance.

[PicassoCT]

I guess it is walking through the city, seeing the Walls, some errected by the Roman Empire, which nationbuilded there - before the middle age returned, taking every effort of them to hold back the (Terrorist) Barbarians with it.. which makes me the lazy european elitiest i am...

Let┬┤s face it, our democratic values are not that deep down in our hearts - hell even the right to have cheap fuel for our cars is more important to us. So lets stop pretending, we have a mission, are anything better or have something to contribute to the world. Only things that remains from foreign occupation, as you can see in spain and Germany.. is the cooking... so the liberated states will still have BigMacs a 1000 years in the future. And they will look back, laughing, shaking there heads.. "so this is what our foolish ancestors fought about?"

Food in Layerz, with Cheese in it..

Yes this is it.

[Strategia]

Food in Layerz, with Cheese in it..

Never underestimate the power of cheese.

[smokingwreckage]

If you're not free to eat cheeseburgers, YOU'RE NOT FREE AT ALL!

[Noruas]

Is it slavery when you get what you want? cheeseburger nom nom nom

[Sleksa]

If you're not free to eat cheeseburgers, YOU'RE NOT FREE AT ALL!

Delicious freedom...

[BaNa]

psaw my country was around ~ 500 year before your stupid little continent was even discovered so you unwashed settler boys should keep quiet and be thankful that you got what little civilization you have from our wonderful continent.

[Strategia]

Is it slavery when you get what you want?

War is peace! Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength!

[smokingwreckage]

If I'm enslaved for the price of the thing I want, and the thing I want is freedom.... I'm so confused.

[malric]

If I'm enslaved for the price of the thing I want, and the thing I want is freedom.... I'm so confused.

If you put it that way it's like with any product . Depends who sets the price, and who defines what you get.

[PicassoCT]

Hi, my name is Bob.
I am a European Elitiest since 20 Years. I tried to avoid it, tried to stay abstinent, live a peacefull live without looking down on the rest of the world. But in Europe the good living standard, makes every Generation grow a little more.. so we already reach 2 meters, making it hard to not look down, because otherwise you have to damage your knees. I┬┤ve tried so hard- i even joine the Anonymous Elitiests.. but can┬┤t you supply your poorer population with decent food over there, so that they don┬┤t make the Hobbit?
Sorry, it is a real rabbithabbit to get rid off..

[smokingwreckage]

In Australia we had to lower our standard of living. We don't have enough missiles to defend against the enraged jealousy of the rest of the world should our chiseled, godlike forms break 3m in average height. No angrier man than a short angry man.

[zwzsg]

Maybe Europeans have length, but Americans have girth!

[PicassoCT]

1 man 1 vote
but what if the weight of the man is more than three man? Shouldn┬┤t he have then 3 Votes...
1vote * the weightofvoter should be fair..