Defeat The Organization

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 09 Jul 2007, 15:41

Can we argue that there are no good players at whateer mods you play; just certain members of your organization who play it more?

Zpock · Post by **Zpock** » 09 Jul 2007, 16:12

Having a bad win/loss ratio can means that the player plays opponents better then himself, wich is the best way to improve. A good ratio means you play n00bs all the time and not improving on your skills at all.

Day · Post by **Day** » 09 Jul 2007, 19:55

right

[XIII]Roxas · Post by **[XIII]Roxas** » 10 Jul 2007, 05:42

Yes, you can argue that.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 10 Jul 2007, 10:45

Zpock wrote:Having a bad win/loss ratio can means that the player plays opponents better then himself, wich is the best way to improve. A good ratio means you play n00bs all the time and not improving on your skills at all.

Yeah, I wish I'd get some non-n00bs to play against sometime...

pintle · Post by **pintle** » 10 Jul 2007, 12:08

neddiedrow wrote:
pintle wrote:How about a nice objective wins to losses ratio?
Nothing is objective. That would, however, be an empirical measure. However, wins to losses just capture victory states, without regard for who or indeed what is involved. I know numerous players who are at best mediocre tacticians which have positive win to loss ratios, and others who are spectacular at actual play and offer a much more interesting experience which have negative such.

not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

(from dictionary.com)

By definition, numerical data is objective. If you want refute somebody's 1v1 record as a valid measure of skill, why would you propose we bother attempting to defeat this organisation in the first place? Of course win/loss ratio is not the be all and end all, but imo its the closest we are gonna get to the truth.

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 10 Jul 2007, 18:18

It isn't objective, pintle, bias exists. How is the data recorded? Who defined the numbers? Who defined the measure? Who is reporting the data?

Objectivity is a fallacy, no doubt developed to simplify a confusing world or win an uncomfortable debate.

For me, the belief that people search for the truth is laughable. We search for what we want to see, and we often find it. The "truth" is simply the conclusion one arrives at, usually through observation followed by conference with peers.

The Organization, from my outside perspective, seems to exist because there is a very limited venue for competition in the Spring community otherwise; the BA ladder. An element of mystery adds a point of interest to the mix - not sure what the motive of the founder was, but I can't analyze to a conclusion on so little data.

Zpock · Post by **Zpock** » 10 Jul 2007, 19:01

Win/loss ratio itself dosn't say anything about skill, even time spent is better then that measure, u need a good rating system, like the EMO one, or look at who is winning (popular) tournaments.

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 10 Jul 2007, 19:08

ELO, not EMO.

Muzic · Post by **Muzic** » 19 Jul 2007, 09:10

From reading this thread it seems as if I could make a decent anime just from the drama going on about the 'organization'.

[XIII]Roxas · Post by **[XIII]Roxas** » 21 Jul 2007, 04:16

Oh, really?

j5mello · Post by **j5mello** » 21 Jul 2007, 05:12

i don't know muzic where is the love interest???

[XIII]Roxas · Post by **[XIII]Roxas** » 21 Jul 2007, 05:32

As far as I can tell, none of our members are romantically involved.

[XI]Marluxia · Post by **[XI]Marluxia** » 21 Jul 2007, 06:28

Roxas, there's something I've been wanting to tell you for awhile now...

[XIII]Roxas · Post by **[XIII]Roxas** » 22 Jul 2007, 03:28

Oh god...

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