Absolute Annihilation: Spring 1.46

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 11 Apr 2006, 11:54

Drone_Fragger wrote:I play Aa a lot and see nothing wrong with the flash :/

you play as arm?

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 11 Apr 2006, 15:52

owned lol :>

wizard8873 · Post by **wizard8873** » 11 Apr 2006, 18:13

the flash is overpowered. bringing back the beamer and hllt is a good idea.

is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the karganeth can scale cliffs insanely fast?

the maverick was talked about a few pages back but it does seem like it has weaker armor than it should but pair it up with a few zeus's and some lvl1 units and its great.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 11 Apr 2006, 18:18

wizard8873 wrote:the flash is overpowered. bringing back the beamer and hllt is a good idea.

Will that really be enough? From the discussion a few pages back, it sounds like the Flash is rediculously cost-effective. Wouldn't you need to nerf its damage a bit too?

wizard8873 · Post by **wizard8873** » 11 Apr 2006, 18:27

Egarwaen wrote:
wizard8873 wrote:the flash is overpowered. bringing back the beamer and hllt is a good idea.
Will that really be enough? From the discussion a few pages back, it sounds like the Flash is rediculously cost-effective. Wouldn't you need to nerf its damage a bit too?

well, i was just stating that the flash is a bit overpowered and that the beamer and hllt are a good unit to bring back. i understand that its not going to solve the problem esp since it takes time to get a few up and a player can get plenty of flashes to that players base before hand. slowing them down a bit and increasing the buildtime or cost will help quite a bit.

BigSteve · Post by **BigSteve** » 11 Apr 2006, 18:31

Im gonna stab myself if I have to read another post about flash balance or comm bombing.

^^

Day · Post by **Day** » 11 Apr 2006, 18:37

You dont have to to read them.

Post by **jcnossen** » 11 Apr 2006, 18:53

Im gonna stab myself if I have to read another post about flash balance or comm bombing.

Don't do that, just kill a kitten :D

wizard8873 · Post by **wizard8873** » 11 Apr 2006, 19:02

BigSteve wrote:Im gonna stab myself if I have to read another post about flash balance or comm bombing.

^^

i wasn't really complaining about it as much as i was just aggreeing with what others said. just like comm bombing, its something you get used to and adapt.

the karganeth scaling walls is what bothers me. i can understand spiders or turtles come in and im ok with that. when i see 3 karganeths just launch up the wall and get there in no time, then i know somethings wrong.

ginekolog · Post by **ginekolog** » 11 Apr 2006, 19:10

nerf flash damage for atleast 20%

other things are quite okish balanced

combombing is fine for me, i never build super duper defense at one point (great target for commbomb)

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 11 Apr 2006, 19:12

wizard8873 wrote:the karganeth scaling walls is what bothers me. i can understand spiders or turtles come in and im ok with that. when i see 3 karganeths just launch up the wall and get there in no time, then i know somethings wrong.

Do they climb walls faster than Spiders/Recluses or something?

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 11 Apr 2006, 19:37

ginekolog wrote:nerf flash damage for atleast 20%

other things are quite okish balanced

combombing is fine for me, i never build super duper defense at one point (great target for commbomb)

Nerfing flash means nerfing the peewee as well. They have the same weapon.

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 11 Apr 2006, 19:38

Egarwaen wrote:
wizard8873 wrote:the karganeth scaling walls is what bothers me. i can understand spiders or turtles come in and im ok with that. when i see 3 karganeths just launch up the wall and get there in no time, then i know somethings wrong.
Do they climb walls faster than Spiders/Recluses or something?

Its because all terrain units can't be made to climb at a differant speed on cliffs or anything. Technically the speed is horizontal speed, So an AT unit going up a cliff Still tries to move X units horzontally, Even thouh its moving Y units upwards as well.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 11 Apr 2006, 19:42

Drone_Fragger wrote:Nerfing flash means nerfing the peewee as well. They have the same weapon.

I thought they'd been split up? Unfortunately, the changelog appears to have gone 404...

Its because all terrain units can't be made to climb at a differant speed on cliffs or anything. Technically the speed is horizontal speed, So an AT unit going up a cliff Still tries to move X units horzontally, Even thouh its moving Y units upwards as well.

Isn't there a way to specify a speed modifier for terrain in maps? It'd be a mapping fix, rather than a mod fix, but if it really bugs people that much, it would be a fix.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 11 Apr 2006, 20:13

Drone_Fragger wrote: Nerfing flash means nerfing the peewee as well. They have the same weapon.

ctrl - c, ctrl - v

ftw

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 11 Apr 2006, 20:16

only thing flashes need is explosion damage to eachother, like brawlers got some two releases ago. doesn't change a single flash's effectiveness but doesn't allow you to effectively spam them.

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 11 Apr 2006, 20:19

Machiosabre wrote:only thing flashes need is explosion damage to eachother, like brawlers got some two releases ago. doesn't change a single flash's effectiveness but doesn't allow you to effectively spam them.

If you can only use units on groups of one, its a unit thats not worth building.

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 11 Apr 2006, 20:28

not to that extent, like brawlers are now in AA.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 11 Apr 2006, 20:56

Basically, try to reduce the value of swarms by effectively increasing the damage they take?

wizard8873 · Post by **wizard8873** » 11 Apr 2006, 20:57

Egarwaen wrote:Do they climb walls faster than Spiders/Recluses or something?

i believe so. i will get a quick game up when i get home and repost the replay to just show it.

Drone_Fragger wrote:Its because all terrain units can't be made to climb at a differant speed on cliffs or anything. Technically the speed is horizontal speed, So an AT unit going up a cliff Still tries to move X units horzontally, Even thouh its moving Y units upwards as well.

how is it then that units take a long time to climb up a hill? i understand that its still x but there is also a y. is it because the cliff is just straight up and shorter than a slope? sorry if its a stupid question but its just got me wondering.

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