Trade with china doesn't matter immensely... Although, as well as the massive national deficit, they are both factors indicating the economy is kind of teetering in a dangerous area. The American dollar is also significantly down, it will cost you about 85 cents to buy a Canadian dollar right now, 2 years ago that would have been about 70. I'd say the US internal economy is doing pretty good, but there is alot of pressure on the external economy that could cause that to come toppling down.Deathblane wrote:Yeah I wouldn't call the biggest budget deficit in history and a massive trade deficite with China a 'great economy'.
Did you vote?
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SwiftSpear
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So you like bigger taxes and more regulated economy? Because last I checked liberals are those who want to lower taxes, minimize the government and remove any regulation from the market. If they don't they aren't liberals.Forboding Angel wrote:Well, bye bye low taxes and great economy. You shall be missed.[..]
Democrats will do fine as long as they weed out the blasted liberals.
The OPEC's decision on throttling the extration rates has zero to do with the election.Oh BTW, a simple warning. Most likely the gas prices will go up rather soon, so you might wanna enjoy $2.08 while it lasts. Also, keep an eye on the stock markets. ATM they are at record highs, so if that goes way down you'll have some people to thank for that little gem as well.
My interpretation of political positions:
Liberals are centrist by their own oppinion but their actions turn out being more to the right IMO (as in an unregulated market the rich get richer and the poor get poorer but I think most liberals don't want that to happen and still dream the American Dream where everyone can become rich if they are good enough). Right wing (nationalism) is pro aristocracy*, left wing (socialism) is contra aristocracy. Both can be driven to an extreme where they interfere with the proper functioning of society. Oh and extreme liberalism is just as delusional as communism in this day and age.
*=Whether actual aristocracy or just the rich.
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Lindir The Green
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My interpretation of the difference between Liberals and Conservatives is that, while they both think that they are the moral good guys, they have different ideas of morality.
(note: this is all stuff from my experience with advertisements and people that I know. I might get a very different idea if I were not living in a big city in the northern midwest. Like in a rural area in Texas or something.)
Liberal idea of morality (I don't endorse all of this): Help the poor and provide opportunities for them to get rich, help the environment even at the expense of large corperations, protect the privacy and human rights of people (even maybe at the expense of national security) and respect that other countries might not want to be exactly the same as us. We basically think that non-Americans should be treated just as well as Americans (but with a weaker economy of course). A lot of Liberals are also sorta... crazily paranoid about our current government. But they usually don't get elected. And a lot of times they vote for people like Ralph Nader instead of for Democrats.
Conservative idea of morality (IMO): Abortion should be illegal. Doctor-assisted suicide should be illegal. People in vegetative states should never have the plug pulled on them. They sorta are extremely obsessed with valuing every Americans life exactly equally, because their base is really religious. Except for they seem to be against welfare and getting money from being unemployed and stuff, and they seem to be against the public school system. But I guess the really religious people of the first half are different from the old school Libertarian Republicans of the second half.
And there are other differences too, which have to do with how to best accomplish the goals above, and things (like lower crime, less terrorism, a strong economy) that everyone wants.
And also, right now, the Republicans seem really incompetent.
(note: this is all stuff from my experience with advertisements and people that I know. I might get a very different idea if I were not living in a big city in the northern midwest. Like in a rural area in Texas or something.)
Liberal idea of morality (I don't endorse all of this): Help the poor and provide opportunities for them to get rich, help the environment even at the expense of large corperations, protect the privacy and human rights of people (even maybe at the expense of national security) and respect that other countries might not want to be exactly the same as us. We basically think that non-Americans should be treated just as well as Americans (but with a weaker economy of course). A lot of Liberals are also sorta... crazily paranoid about our current government. But they usually don't get elected. And a lot of times they vote for people like Ralph Nader instead of for Democrats.
Conservative idea of morality (IMO): Abortion should be illegal. Doctor-assisted suicide should be illegal. People in vegetative states should never have the plug pulled on them. They sorta are extremely obsessed with valuing every Americans life exactly equally, because their base is really religious. Except for they seem to be against welfare and getting money from being unemployed and stuff, and they seem to be against the public school system. But I guess the really religious people of the first half are different from the old school Libertarian Republicans of the second half.
And there are other differences too, which have to do with how to best accomplish the goals above, and things (like lower crime, less terrorism, a strong economy) that everyone wants.
And also, right now, the Republicans seem really incompetent.
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SpikedHelmet
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That's socialism, those aren't liberals. When you tell them about helping the poor most liberals go "But don't make ME pay for those poor people! They should help themselves! look how successful I am, they just have to do the same thing and get themselves out of poverty! It's their fault they are even poor in first place!".Lindir The Green wrote:Liberal idea of morality (I don't endorse all of this): Help the poor and provide opportunities for them to get rich, help the environment even at the expense of large corperations, protect the privacy and human rights of people (even maybe at the expense of national security) and respect that other countries might not want to be exactly the same as us. We basically think that non-Americans should be treated just as well as Americans (but with a weaker economy of course). A lot of Liberals are also sorta... crazily paranoid about our current government. But they usually don't get elected. And a lot of times they vote for people like Ralph Nader instead of for Democrats.
I would like to pop in here and point out that Bush is not a conservative. And also, right vs left is small government vs big government. Extreme right is anarchy, extreme left is communism. We conservatives essentially believe that government is a necessary evil, but we should keep it as small as we can so it isn't abused.
You need a military, and you need assurance of basic human rights.
You need a military, and you need assurance of basic human rights.
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SpikedHelmet
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Erm... this thread is about the US 2006 midterm elections, so I guess what he meant was "can't vote in the US 2006 midterm elections".Zoombie wrote:Aren't you from good old englililiand? Just cause you can't vote in AMERICA don't mean you can't vote in other places.
To Deci: Wasn't Hitler far right? Wasn't he a dictator?
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In April, 1920, Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany.
Not right wing in the slightest. Hitler may have been right-wing himself, but his methods to achieve power were not.In February 1920, the NSDAP published its first programme which became known as the "Twenty-Five Points". In the programme the party refused to accept the terms of the Versailles Treaty and called for the reunification of all German people. To reinforce their ideas on nationalism, equal rights were only to be given to German citizens. "Foreigners" and "aliens" would be denied these rights.
To appeal to the working class and socialists, the programme included several measures that would redistribute income and war profits, profit-sharing in large industries, nationalization of trusts, increases in old-age pensions and free education.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm
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Lindir The Green
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Well, socialism is generaly considered to be closer to liberal than conservative. And I guess a lot of the liberals that I know are socialist. As well as the current hard core democrats, who arent so hard core that they are unelectable.
Here, go to this site:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
I'm lower left, at -3.88 and -2.26.
Here, go to this site:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
I'm lower left, at -3.88 and -2.26.