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Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 12 Oct 2006, 00:44

Oh...he just reminded me so much of someone else I knew on some forum who was talking about how if you spoke out against president then nice men in black suits would take you away....

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 12 Oct 2006, 01:09

Whoever said terrorists might not use nukes?

pheldens · Post by **pheldens** » 12 Oct 2006, 01:12

Decimator wrote:Kim Jong Il is the state in NK.

Dick Cheney and GWB developed a legal way to bypass congress, and are doing so continuously.

If you all dont like fascism, why do you defend your federation becomming so.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 12 Oct 2006, 01:15

Explain, please, I'm interested.

pheldens · Post by **pheldens** » 12 Oct 2006, 01:22

A traitorously worded and implemented patriotact.
And somekind of presidential editorial notes clause on bills is being abused to reach beyond intended purpose.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 12 Oct 2006, 01:23

...er...more information then a few sentences would be nice. Or I could go reserch it myself...but what are the chances of that?

Lindir The Green · Post by **Lindir The Green** » 12 Oct 2006, 04:23

The Patriot Act allows anybody to be arrested without a warrant if the US government decides to do so.

But they could just issue themselves a warrant anyway... The Patriot Act makes it faster though, and prevents anybody from stopping it at some point in the proccess.

And Bush didn't invent it either, it's been around for a very long time.

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 12 Oct 2006, 06:19

As much as I support your zeal, for it is seldom found among the populace these days, for your own good I recommend more concrete research. Bear in mind that some people are inflexible regardless.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 12 Oct 2006, 09:26

I might not support the Afganistan conflict to the full and I don't support the one in Iraq at all. But a well excecuted invasion of NK would get my full support, nobody should have to live in the shadow of the bomb in the hands of a man like KJI.

BTW anyone else notice that Democratic Peoples Republic means Psuedocommunist dictatorship?

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 12 Oct 2006, 09:31

Lindir The Green wrote:But they could just issue themselves a warrant anyway... The Patriot Act makes it faster though, and prevents anybody from stopping it at some point in the proccess.

The difference is that warrants must be issued by the judiciary while arrests are made by the executive. This ongoing abolishing of warrants means the courts are less capable of interjecting when the government does unjust things. The whole point of separation of powers is that no branch can wield absolute power and each branch is held in check by the other two making a takeover much more difficult. This is being eroded.

Also keep in mind the development how Hitler gained power, he used laws that were very similar to the Patriot act (and introduced after jewish terrorists destroyed an important structure*). By exploiting the public's demand for more and more security he managed to pass laws that put him as the wielder of absolute power over the entire country and allowed him to detain any political opposition in the name of national security.

*=Nowadays history books say that was orchestrated by Hitler but I think evidence doesn't show that very strongly so it's mostly speculation based on what's likely to happen. No matter what, at the time those laws got passed any thoughts that the govt had inscenated that terrorist attack were probably considered conspiracy theories.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 12 Oct 2006, 10:37

You know what? THe US should simply pull everyone back, do nothing but stay in our rather expansive country, not help anyone out, and if another tsunami hits oh damn well.

People in other countries like to make the US out to be some big bad bully when in fact the US spends tons of money helping other nations and peoples. So, I say we turtle. See how well the world deals with each other without having us to contend with.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:23

fight would ensue forboding...

bad fight. and well... yeah.

we'd have hippies screaming and throwing a fit.

I don't wanna deal with that.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:23

Godwins law.

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:25

I find it a bit annoying that big country's as US/Russia/UK

ALL have nuclear BOMBS, but no1 else is allowed to have them!

Isn't that kinda naive?

EDIT:

I don't say NK should have them, i am saying NO ONE should have them!

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:29

NOiZE wrote:I find it a bit annoying that big country's as US/Russia/UK

ALL have nuclear BOMBS, but no1 else is allowed to have them!

Isn't that kinda naive?

EDIT:

I don't say NK should have them, i am saying NO ONE should have them!

I agree with you here.... but its more of a "respectable, stable ruled" countries are deemed "ok" to possess them, reason: they will use them for global security, not global domination/threats/attacks... as NK has allready done, threaten just about EVERYONE on the planet.. countries like IRAN, NK, "old Kuat" and the rest of the Axis of evil, need not have any, when they have any, its a THREAT to mankind... not just the US, but ALL of us.

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:40

LathanStanley wrote:
NOiZE wrote:blablabla
I agree with you here.... but its more of a "respectable, stable ruled" countries are deemed "ok" to possess them, blablabla

That's more an opinion then a fact :)

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:44

Nah, they will never get used, unless once country with nukes decides to use them against another, but that won't happen.

Nuclear Deterrant, Mutualy Assured Destruction (M.A.D)

The only real risk from nuclear weapons is when a country like North Korea or Iran etc develop them and start threatening their neigbours.

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:48

I just find it bad that Country's WITH nuclear bombs are saying that a other country cannot have Nuclear Bombs

Perhaps The Netherlands should get Atomic Bombs as well, just to go along with the hype...

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:05

if the netherlands developed nukes... we'd just shake our head and ask.. "why??"

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:15

we don't got nukes.

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