jcnossen wrote:Then why is it only the people who haven't actually worked with AF who have positive opinions?
Sorry, but I'm calling bull on that, cheif.
I've worked with AF and have a positive opinion of him.
I have to agree, although it wasn't strictly developmental, design work I've done with AF, while it was a bit taxing, didn't make me hate him.
That being said, I can understand why people find working with AF frustrating, he has some really frustrating habits in terms of dealing with people he's working with.
Maybee it is problem with a relation to spring as a Contributor. The More you start overdoing it with contributing, the more your easy-annoyed-Curve rises, till at the Top, the Vulcano starts to explode - and it may be even healthy for those People to return to RL at this Moment. So if we take one of the Relaxed Contributors and put him together with a "Pressurized" Contributor into the Same Thread... Boooom!
THe Shame is that this Peak_Boom_People never return - best would be a constant - highquality- development line Curve. Ahe., where was i - what was the Topic.... ah yes, AF leaving... man this is a board with butter, easy drifting into no direction... Oh, i complained about Quality.... Well first of all i should raise the Quality of my Posts...
Don`t take me serious - it`s just the usual mixture, of Drugs (still Socks), 3DsMax and Spring.
regardless of what he has is or will do talking about him behind his back doesn't seem all that helpful to the situation. And yes i realize he does read this so technically it isn't "behind his back" but irregardless.
Im inclined to agree with Neddie. Of the forums i frequent this is by far the most conflict ridden. I understand people disagree and such but there have been things here that i was really surprised weren't immeadiately locked, deleted or whatever moderation was necessary. When a community loses a member because of the negative attitudes/reactions towards that person (no matter how valid) of that community, that community needs to look at itself. The new forum rules have helped tone things down. But the old shadow still lurks and sometimes rears its head...
TBH the central problems are ones of communication. No matter what people say, text is a sucky way of communicating anything more than simple meanings. 90% of communication is done thru voice pitch and body language. You lose that with text and no amount of emoticons makes up for it. To have a serious conversation about anything over the interent is trying and pointless.
Falling back to a major point (and Penny Arcade):
Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total Fuckwad
(excuse the language as its necessary to demonstrate my point)
That equation defines many members present on the boards and its sad. Whats worse is that before the new forum rules they could get away with constant bullsh*t. Thankfully that doesn't happen very often now but the fact that we lost 3 people is truly sad (Smoth, AF, and Wasp).
@ j5mello: Then how to improve Text? If Emoticons don`t help - how about colouring the Words, by Emotion- if sarcastic black - if angry red, if blue =blue, if not self-secure green- and make that way shure tht something can`t be missunderstood. However I don`t like Monocause Reasonings- they are good to focus the View, light out a certain point- but they don`t give you the whole picture. The Point is, that everybody in this Forum needs to post every post as maximum missinterpretationsafe as possible, maybee give Postdelays (your post is visible after 10 Mins - so you can still return and fix the worst missunderstandable Words) - and we would have always to guess the most friendly out of every Post... even shoutings from the Brucebalcony
Trying to inject text with more meaning would be very clumsy. And really nothing could be better than the current emotiocons and [/sarcasm] stuff.
Really, the solution to get people to stop flaming each other, is to somehow get everybody to read their own post, and edit out everything that could be considered offensive by anybody.
picasso there isn't a technology related way to deal with this problem. It stems not from a lack of technology but from people's atttitudes and behaviors. In the end it all comes down to people and i leave u with this:
The Internet: a place where people of all ages, races, religions, colors, habits, musical preferences, nationalities, politcal views, genders, and sexual orientations can come together to insult each other's ages, races, religions, colors, habits, musical preferences, nationalities, politcal views, genders, and sexual orientations.
So whatever drama we have, it seems pretty under control these days. Things could be a lot worse. It's not like the old days with .4, but things are pretty nice here compared to a lot of boards.
Yeah, TAU is just chock full of drama. How do they live over there anyway @_@
Seriously though, its all good. Community is just experiencing growing pains I suppose. It always happens. The sad part is, this basically means that the Spring community is beginning to peak, and that its probably not going to get much more lively than the next year or two (if even that), and then its just going to go downhill from there.
Foe i know what TAU is like ive lurked for a while but the only reason that TAU is like that is because its allowed to. Thoughts and Discussion is purposefully put there so people don't flood the rest of the board with those kinds of topics.
And that thread u posted is bascially the TAU peoples way of getting "problems" with Spring addressed. They have said that the way the get things addressed is by complaining about them. I see that method as pointless but thats my opinion. Ive read panties other posts (on different boards) and he isn't as bad as that thread makes him out to be. TAU is they way it is because its allowed to be. Reading through the moderator forum has shown me some interesting things about the site and how its run (no offense to anyone there is intended).
Frankly i don't post on TAU and could care less about it. The one thing that does bother me is when their members come here to complain about things (mainly the water [ITS IN LEAVE IT THE F**K ALONE] and the gui). That is completely unecessary but it can't be controlled only ignored.
All in all TAU is a pretty extreme example of board behavior.
To make People more thinking about what they write when a Thread goes on Fire - why not write in third Person, and write everything in it, how you understand something, every thought, and why you come to the conclusions you pressed into sentence. It would also allow a wider spectre of describing someones Attitudes
Let me give a Example:
J5Mello wrote:
Picasso there isn't a technology related way to deal with this problem. It stems not from a lack of technology but from people's atttitudes and behaviors. In the end it all comes down to people and i leave u with this:
The Internet: a place where people of all ages, races, religions, colors, habits, musical preferences, nationalities, politcal views, genders, and sexual orientations can come together to insult each other's ages, races, religions, colors, habits, musical preferences, nationalities, politcal views, genders, and sexual orientations.
>> Answer in Third Person:
After the Visitor had read the Thread, and layed an Eye upon J5Mellos Post, his mind started racing. Had he not seen and experienced in Reallife - Old-Style Mail Conversation, with diffrent and difficult Persons, who still didn`t burn the Postmann with the Mailbag? Were there not BornBlind and Deafs, who still could life in Peace with others, allthought there Communication was limited to Braille? Or was the Post of J5Mello right, did his RL Expierience did not work in a Anonym Place like a Forum?
He shuddered, like Foreigners do sometimes. A Problem without sollution, what a challenge, what a Fearfactor. Historybooks and Lifeexierience showed that waiting for the Problem to selfsolve was unrealistic
THe Visitor had once read a Book, that stated if a Argument starts to turn in Cylces, it makes no sence to go into close Combat, but to withrdraw on the "Hill of Strategy" and to start talking, no longer over the Subject of the Argument, but about the language and Communicationstyle of the Argument itself. After thing all this Back and forth, the Visitor, shaked his head and wrote:
I am not shure, but i think you are wrong. Problems exist to be solved.
THe Visitor thought, bowed his head and left.
LOL, at teh end of all thsi drama, PicassoCT post like the funniest thi... no wait:
After getting up of the floor aGorm decided to congradulat PicassoCT on his wonderrfull post for making him laaff so hard. He then chuckeled all day about and told his friends.
However, i think this might work under flamy conditions - if the Mod would enforce it. It simply forces you every sentence to view your own Behaviour from the Outside.
