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Gota
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Re: Brain reading

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SwiftSpear wrote:
Gota wrote:Depends what sort of kids you want to create.
If you want everyone to be as similar as possible than yes.
if you want a wide range of people with different outlooks and experience and ideas than maybe setting up a single mold is not the best idea.

Also the "let them choose what they want" is more of an illusion...
When you can do something extremely well in many cases your motivated by your own ability..
I wonder if Mozart wanted to be say...a banker...after he became famous for his music.
any way you look at it to be extremely good at something and stand out of the crowed you need to start doing it as early as possible.
The brain isn't that easy to developmentally guide. There are fundamental genetic personality differentials between people, and there are SO SO SOOOOOOO many little factors in a persons developmental history that are somewhere between insanely hard and impossible to really nail down from a parenting perspective. Parents by enlarge just CAN'T guide their kid into one field or another, it, largely speaking, does not work almost at all. There's just too much inherent difference between people, even genetically.

Giving children the opportunity try many different activities gives them the opportunity to develop a breath of life skills that they can take in many different potential directions. Even entirely ignoring that if left to their own devices kids will do this as much as possible anyways, it should be taken as fact that parents should encourage their kids to do many different things and not be too focused on any one thing. I don't see how that can be construed as a "mold". I'm not, nor would I ever say "your child should do exactly 30 minutes of soccer, and then exactly 30 minutes of piano, and then blah blah...." The whole point is that after trying something a child may like it more or less than other things and conversely spend more or less time on it, and therefore naturally guide the development of their skills into an area that they are interested in.

If you don't like "do what they want" then replace it anywhere I said it with "choose to not be forced to do something the absolutely hate", because that's more accurate to the meaning I'm trying to convey. If my parents decided when I was 4 years old that I was going to be an accountant and that was the only thing I was going to be trained to do from then on, I DEFINITELY would have killed myself by now. Computers and language teaching (the two fields I'm studying right now) respectively may not be supremely fun and everlasting sources of happiness for me, but I'm pretty satisfied with them, and the amount of related stuff that I absolutely hate doing is far outweighed by the stuff that I find rewarding and satisfying.
Again,tell all that to Mozart's childhood.
There are so many blend people in the world...
Their childhoods might have been very liberal and they did all they wanted but how many of those became exceptional, how many remembered after their lives ended?and how many more remembered hundreds of years after their lives?
a child does not know what he wants, in most cases and surely not what he will want as an adult.
Oh sure you can give kids a general education and let them choose when they are adults but how will they compete in their chosen profession with those that have been going at it for their entire childhood or most of it?
How will thye rise above mediocrity?
Maybe sometimes the question is, indeed,"do you want a happy person or a brilliant one?".
There are always regrets in life, if you married and have a family,if you devoted yourself completely to your work or art or traveled around the world etc etc...
Who says the regrets followed as a consequence of being focused on one specific thing and being exceptionally good at it are worse than the regrets of mediocrity/commoness or other life style choices?
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Machete234 wrote:
Panda wrote:In addition to that, I can still do acrobatics and today and can't really think of anyone that I know of who has ever really had any complaints about how exercising a lot as a kid has had a negative effect on their muscle memory.
The more movements you learn the better.
Since when does the brain have a certain capacity and when its full you cant learn anything anymore?
I don't think that people can't learn anything anymore once the brain reaches a certain capacity. I think that people can learn new things throughout their entire lives, but that their methods of learning change as they get older.
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like when i took that home winemaking course and forgot how to drive
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KaiserJ wrote:like when i took that home winemaking course and forgot how to drive
:lol:

The Emotiv device is selling for $299, seems like if it go more publicity there would be a lot of people picking it up and just playing around with it and the SDK. It's funny that they're charging upwards of $500 for an SDK that can actually show your the raw data the device is reading.
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Re: Brain reading

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Gota wrote:Again,tell all that to Mozart's childhood.
There are so many blend people in the world...
Their childhoods might have been very liberal and they did all they wanted but how many of those became exceptional, how many remembered after their lives ended?and how many more remembered hundreds of years after their lives?
a child does not know what he wants, in most cases and surely not what he will want as an adult.
Oh sure you can give kids a general education and let them choose when they are adults but how will they compete in their chosen profession with those that have been going at it for their entire childhood or most of it?
How will thye rise above mediocrity?
Maybe sometimes the question is, indeed,"do you want a happy person or a brilliant one?".
There are always regrets in life, if you married and have a family,if you devoted yourself completely to your work or art or traveled around the world etc etc...
Who says the regrets followed as a consequence of being focused on one specific thing and being exceptionally good at it are worse than the regrets of mediocrity/commoness or other life style choices?
I don't believe "rising above mediocrity" is something that can be forced on a person. I think it's 50% luck and 50% hard work. Early child development has little or nothing to do with it. Children who are forced into one field 90% of the time just crash, because genetically, many people aren't capable of picking some random thing and truly excelling at it. Your genes give you a body and mind setup that gives you talents for certain things and discounts you from certain other things. Your parents might force you to practice piano for 80 hours a week, but if you have stiff fingers, bad reaction times, and insensitive ears you'll never be more than a grade ten player, assuming you even have the mental fortitude to play piano for long periods without having a total mental breakdown.
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I read somewhere that the childs brain structure is fully developed to the final shape at age of one, after that your brain abilities wont change over time.
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TradeMark wrote:I read somewhere that the childs brain structure is fully developed to the final shape at age of one, after that your brain abilities wont change over time.
What are you implying?
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SwiftSpear wrote: There's some argument to be made that longterm or excessive early life developmental use might damage the development of "normal" muscle memory.

So if a basketball was thrown at your head your reaction wouldn't be to catch it or to swat it, but to think it away, which obviously won't work.
DS to have elite level muscle memory in some or many other activities
OMG, someone accidentally threw a football at my head today while I was walking to class. Two guys were throwing the ball back and forth and I walked by one the guy who was catching it on the way to class. I saw the ball out of the corner of my eye, yelled "Ah!", and punched it. I just had to tell you that. It was a deja vous moment.
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Dont study to hard then because you will unlearn that reflex and next time the ball hits your head.
This will make you a little dumber and the studying was all for nothing.
Its really self regulating.
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This thread has taught me that learning is bad for my brain.




Guys, MY BRAIN IS FULL HOW CAN I LEARN MORE?
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Narcotics have always helped our leaders, celebrities and parents.
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Re: Brain reading

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Afaik neural nets can easily overlearn stuff and lose adaptivity, but there's really no definite upper limit how "much" they can learn within the scope of inputs. Take, for example, a net which can recognize a handwritten "a". Learning to recognize "b" too isn't allocating new memory for it, just changing behaviour so that both "a" and "b" can be recognized. Saying your brain is full is plain wrong. :P
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Re: Brain reading

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Machete234 wrote:Dont study to hard then because you will unlearn that reflex and next time the ball hits your head.
This will make you a little dumber and the studying was all for nothing.
Its really self regulating.
Lol, I'm studying anyway.
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