What..

[TradeMark]

and is interesting.

so youre gonna date neddie next? nice lesbian couple, aww cute.

Some people don't want to run around and date all kinds of people

yeah... some people takes what they got when they were twelve... too lazy/afraid to find anything better.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

pandas boring love life is boring, ontopic ftw

[Gota]

pandas boring love life is boring, ontopic ftw

She wrote she has been with Smoth for 10 years but she did not write if during that period she was also with someone else

[Jazcash]

Is Neddie a psychiatrist?

No, but he knows some psychology and is interesting.

I concur with this statement.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

pandas boring love life is boring, ontopic ftw

She wrote she has been with Smoth for 10 years but she did not write if during that period she was also with someone else

FACE PALM

[Neddie]

Psychiatrists tend to know very little about behaviour and human function, in general their role is to prescribe medication correctly, not to address or understand problems.

In consideration of the original topic of discussion, there must be a variety of things which bind people to activities - and these vary greatly. Some people clearly come back to Spring because they feel it is superior to alternatives available to them and fulfills a desired entertainment niche. Others perhaps are more compulsive, a number of players and game developers seem to use Spring as a distraction or, more productively, a foundation. Still more see Spring as a means to achieving a goal, such as the improvement of different skills, or usable ancillary work history...

[Panda]

Very true.

[Gota]

Psychiatrists tend to know very little about behaviour and human function, in general their role is to prescribe medication correctly, not to address or understand problems.

Are you by any chance a Scientologist?

[Neddie]

Psychiatrists tend to know very little about behaviour and human function, in general their role is to prescribe medication correctly, not to address or understand problems.

Are you by any chance a Scientologist?

No. I'm merely saying that psychiatrists are not psychologists and serve a very different role.

[Jazcash]

Had this conversation yesterday. http://pastebin.com/d64da416e

Neddie must be a Psychic then!

[TradeMark]

yeah psychologists just talks lots of shit instead of doing anything and psychiatrists listens your shit and says youre gonna be alright with these painkillers

[HectorMeyer]

I also thought psychology was bullshit when I was younger.

Psychology is very interesting though since it can, through classic scientific method of gathering data and making models, classify quite strange problems, which, surprisingly, are often quite counterintuitive to basic intuition. Personality Disorders for example show a lot of counterintuitive "mechanics" of the human mind.

My hamster dies - I am sad. That's kinda logical.

I get bullied by parents and classmates as a kid - I develop magical thinking as an adult. Well observed phenomenon, but not really intuitive.

[PicassoCT]

sad thing neddie seldom posts here anymoar - he is too busy roasting trolls somewhere else.

Concerning mental disorders - after reading about them watching some interesting cases (the world is full of people with problems) i m no longer that certain that the description disorder really fits anymore. Lets take a psychatrists, whos job by modern definition is to help those in unbearable mental circumstances (heavy neurosis, depressions with suciidal tendencies, schizophrenia+additional symptoms like social isolation) by easing this disease to a level were the patient can easily live with it.

Now lets take a fire(wo)man. (s)He has a mental disorder called Codependency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codependency which found often in helping jobs has lead to the name "helper-syndrom" and by that way is often nearly suicidal at his taks, to get as reward some selfacceptance.

(s)He gets treated, it works, (s)he is now less mentall disorderd, cares more about (him/her)self, and one night this factory burns, maybee going boom the next minute, because there are loads and loads of fertilizer stored, in the middst of a harbour, who is shock- in the middle of a city.
Now our mentall disorder first discovers, that he doesent long anymore to safe people sacrificing his own skin. He also discovers, that most of his colleges are cowards, very very happy in the second line - and only getting into the inferno when carefully made drunk or set under drugs. Long Story, short sumarum: City goes boom, mentall disorder cured, cured brain becomes a rather fractal wallpainting on a smoking ruin.
Question: Was it right to sacrifice the wellbeeing of the many for the happiness of one man? Or is a society unfair, which is secretly based upon people suffering for it? Is it unfair to ask with biased questions?

[TradeMark]

Question: Was it right to sacrifice the wellbeeing of the many for the happiness of one man? Or is a society unfair, which is secretly based upon people suffering for it? Is it unfair to ask with biased questions?

lol... Question: Was it right to make the damn babies at the first place who lost their lives in the accident and now made thousands of people sad?

You guys never learn... stop fucking around and buy a dog instead if you need a friend... or a robowhore if the women wants kids...

[Neddie]

I'm actually not here so much because I have some rather troubling obstacles in front of me in the real world, which I am trying to negotiate. I am "here" every day but usually to monitor the situation and do overhead moderation/administration work. I've only played a few games since the year began, though I have done other things in relation to 1944 and the ladder.

I will get the map in, and I am sorry about the delay.

As to your question, the treatment doesn't necessarily cause the destruction of the factory, it merely reduces her effectiveness in the role as a firewoman. There are other firemen and women, as well as different public service forces such as the police, who should evacuate the surrounding area. For the sake of the example, let us assume that this does indeed make the difference and permit the explosion to occur. We could say that this is a highly unlucky, or conversely, a darkly fated, event. That it happened does not change the fact that she is one person and a change in her should not bring about a negative outcome for so many.

As we cannot forsee for certain the impact of treatment, we may not be able to assign right or wrong to the decision to pursue treatment. Of course, people may have differing opinions one way or the other, but they probably balance out. The treatment was undertaken on the basis of likely consequence, which is all we ever have to act on looking forward to the future. If it works for most people and most societies then it is difficult to blame, with any validity, the odd negative result upon the practice.

Codependence itself, I have argued, is merely a notably severe and maladaptive manifestation of necessary interdependence. In codependence there are two recognized roles - the enabler and the dependent. These reflect the traditional power roles of dominant and submissive, or the naive hierarchical positions of top and bottom. A codependent relationship is only different from a dependent relationship in that there is an enabler/active dominant who needs the dependent. So I might say that your example shows a dependent, rather than codependent, individual - unless you consider the society as the enabler. In this case I can address your second question - with this perspective, the society itself is indeed based upon the suffering of individuals. Our societies demand people fulfill instrumental and specialized roles, such as firefighting or sanitation. In this view, you might say, the modern medical establishment exists to facilitate role adherence - you treat a soldier with PTSD so he can fight again, you medicate a sanitation worker with nausea so he can continue to shovel sludge. The problem with this conceptualization, however, is that a large number of people in the society would thus be participating in a codependent relationship.

[Neddie]

no he just has over 9000 disorders

trademark is making perfect sense, gaming is escapism. if you are addicted to escapism you clearly dont have much left to be escaping.

Hardly. You don't know much about me at all. You know, I'm not even certain why you consistently speak of and to me with alternating disdain and dislike, or deflect what I say by either undermining my character or asserting some defect in my thought process. It is curious, for I cannot imagine what I could have done to generate such an unproductive response, nor can I recall any notable conflict preceding this pattern of behaviour.

Gaming is not always an expression of escapism, but it can be a form of escapism. People game because it provides them with some stimulation, this need not be a negative relationship, though it certainly could be and often is.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

[quote="neddiedrow"][quote="1v0ry_k1ng"]no he just has over 9000 disorders

trademark is making perfect sense, gaming is escapism. if you are addicted to escapism you clearly dont have much left to be escaping.[/quote]

Hardly. You don't know much about me at all. You know, I'm not even certain why you consistently speak of and to me with alternating disdain and dislike, or deflect what I say by either undermining my character or asserting some defect in my thought process. It is curious, for I cannot imagine what I could have done to generate such an unproductive response, nor can I recall any notable conflict preceding this pattern of behaviour.[/quote]

hmm? I have nothing against you, we lost a s44 2v2 together once <3

[TradeMark]

Seems like neddie has some paranoia. Usually caused by schizophrenia mental disorder (or/and too much weed smoking).

[Panda]

As to your question, the treatment doesn't necessarily cause the destruction of the factory, it merely reduces her effectiveness in the role as a firewoman. There are other firemen and women, as well as different public service forces such as the police, who should evacuate the surrounding area. For the sake of the example, let us assume that this does indeed make the difference and permit the explosion to occur. We could say that this is a highly unlucky, or conversely, a darkly fated, event. That it happened does not change the fact that she is one person and a change in her should not bring about a negative outcome for so many.

It is true that the change in the firefighter should not bring a change or a negative outcome for many and even the firefighter, herself or himself may not be able to for see that happening, but that kind of thing can happen because some people are either lazy, take other people for granted, or both. It's not so unusual for people to act particularly stupid in groups because no one takes personal responsibility for their actions. You do have some good points, though, sometimes events like that occur simply because of rotten luck. That's how some things like kids slipping through the cracks and not having a well-balanced education occur, because they weren't noticed and/or no one bothered to do anything.

[Neddie]

[quote="neddiedrow"][quote="1v0ry_k1ng"]no he just has over 9000 disorders

trademark is making perfect sense, gaming is escapism. if you are addicted to escapism you clearly dont have much left to be escaping.

Hardly. You don't know much about me at all. You know, I'm not even certain why you consistently speak of and to me with alternating disdain and dislike, or deflect what I say by either undermining my character or asserting some defect in my thought process. It is curious, for I cannot imagine what I could have done to generate such an unproductive response, nor can I recall any notable conflict preceding this pattern of behaviour.[/quote][/size]

hmm? I have nothing against you, we lost a s44 2v2 together once <3[/quote]

Perhaps you're just generally abrasive. That would be a reasonable explanation.

Seems like neddie has some paranoia. Usually caused by schizophrenia mental disorder (or/and too much weed smoking).

None of which pertains to me. Do not troll me, TradeMark.