Balanced Annihilation V6.92

[Jazcash]

Well the main reason for this update was flopflop messaging me nightly saying the thud change broke 1v1 gameplay.

Also the newer LolUI in CA was breaking the older one in BA.

Sorry but after inquiring from a bunch of regular 1v1-ers there was little to no consesus about thuds and hammers being op. Most people just said it took time to get used to them being actually used, as they brought in a whole bunch of new tactics.

Could it be that flop just couldnt handle change?

The Hammer/Thud revert is the only change I like about the new BA, they were obviously buffed too much.

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=18585

A lot of good 1v1 players agree.

In my personal opinion, BA is now pretty much finished. It should only be updated for bug fixes and new gamemodes/major features.

Just please, don't fuxor up my widgets again.

[imbaczek]

no game is ever finished, only abandoned.

[Jazcash]

no game is ever finished, only abandoned.

That's not true

[TheFatController]

Just please, don't fuxor up my widgets again.

Hopefully this should be the last time and just to remind everyone this change was going in the engine anyway

[hunterw]

around 10:40 is when they get changed from 'Roam' to 'Hold Pos' which is why they break, not related to this update.

This always happens hold pos = don't chase anything

Weird - I've been ctrl-a + hold pos so many games now that I didn't think it was statistically possible for me to not experience stuff like that before. Guess I'll get that hold pos for ground factories widget, taht's the only real thing I want to be hold pos.







As for bloat / BA is done:

1. Widgets and game options are basically void of filesize, and as long as they aren't forced on by default they do nothing but add variety and fun.

2. BA is not done, it has some useless units and TONS of hideous unit models.

The hovercraft transport for instance unloads without any animation and is a near useless unit to boot. Done? Pls.

[Gertkane]

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Only one i see talking there is flop. What other good players are there saying thuds and hammers really were op?

[Jazcash]

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Only one i see talking there is flop. What other good players are there saying thuds and hammers really were op?

Wisse, Llama, Beh, Day etc...

Seriously, if you think that the Thud/Hammer change was for the better, you need to actually play some games. It made Kbots incredibly easy and better vs Veh in an unwanted way. People like to overcome enemies by good micro, not because their units are suddenly twice as good as they were before.

Micro Win = Satisfaction
Unit Win = Boring & Unskillful.

I say the best way to make units better is to make them more versatile and flexible. Make them respond quicker and obey commands more efficiently.

[Gertkane]

I say the best way to make units better is to make them more versatile and flexible. Make them respond quicker and obey commands more efficiently.

If only that was so easy...

I havent played much 1v1s, pretty much only against behe (needless to say i havent been too successful :D) so im coming from a team-game point of view.

The only thing i have a grief with, is that thuds now are just only a little better than they used to when they were seriously underpowered, which makes them a niche unit, not a frontline fighter.

Up the costs or give core a frontline fighter that works similarly to arms warrior perhaps?

[Forboding Angel]

TFC, when you make a new BA release, would you mind copying and pasting it in the community news forum? COnsidering that BA is the most popular mod in spring, news about new releases should be quite welcome I would think, and tbh I rarely have time to skim the entire forum for new news and it would make my life about a million times easier.

Thanks

[YokoZar]

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[      0] Connecting to 97.104.44.136:1897 using name YokoZar
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[      0] Became player 2 (team 0, allyteam 0)
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[      0] Loaded gadget:  MultiCom            <mo_coop.lua>
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[      0] Loaded gadget:  C Is For Control    <comiscontrol.lua>
[      0] Loaded gadget:  King of the Hill    <mo_koth.lua>
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[      0] Loaded gadget:  LupsSyncedManager   <lups_manager.lua>
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[      0] Build date/time: Mar 20 2009 09:01:01
[      0] Player YokoZar connected with number 2 (client version 0.78.2.0)
[      0] Player Evil_Whisk connected with number 4 (client version 0.78.2.1 (0.78.2.1-0-g768a2af{@}-s))
[      0] Player [SmuG]Knob connected with number 3 (client version 0.78.2.0 (0.78.2-0-g716ba18{@}-s))
[      0] Player Habibi connected with number 5 (client version 0.78.2.1 (0.78.2.1-0-g768a2af{@}-s))
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[      0] Player YokoZar finished loading and is now ingame
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[      0] Player Evil_Whisk finished loading and is now ingame
[      0] Player [SmuG]Knob finished loading and is now ingame
[      0] YokoZar added point: Start 0
[      0] Player [SmuG]Knob left the game:  normal quit
[      0] Player [SmuG]Knob left
[      0] Player [TS]Knob connected with number 1 (client version 0.78.2.0 (0.78.2-0-g716ba18{@}-s))
[      0] YokoZar added point: Start 0
[      0] <dukeofurl> Private: >I am thinking we comnap him
[      0] <dukeofurl> and just run it back to the other side
[      0] Evil_Whisk added point: Start 0
[      0] Player Habibi left the game:  timeout
[      0] Lost connection to Habibi
[      0] Evil_Whisk added point: Start 0
[      0] <dukeofurl> Private: >what do you think?
[      0] Player [TS]Knob finished loading and is now ingame
[      0] dukeofurl added point: Start 0
[      0] <[TS]Knob> force
[      0] dukeofurl added point: Start 0
[      0] GameID: 83eb0b4a5fa6d15016feb621ecdbd8a5
[     21] Sync error for [TS]Knob in frame 1 (c1622b9d)
[     31] Team2 (Habibi) didn't have the guts
[     84] Buildings set to face West
[    274] <YokoZar> umm
[    296] <dukeofurl> whoa what the fucl
[    306] <YokoZar> sync issue
[    411] Sync error for [TS]Knob in frame 402 (8d61855e)
[    431] <dukeofurl> yeah, who's desyncing?
[    456] <[TS]Knob> lol
[    475] <YokoZar> and I bet a comm spawned in corner
[    492] <dukeofurl> there we are.
[    499] <YokoZar> knob
[    573] <dukeofurl> alright restart
[    584] <YokoZar> could you post infolog on forums
[    586] Server shutdown
[    586] <autoquit> Automatically exiting in 12 seconds. Move mouse to cancel.
[    586] <autoquit> Autoquit canceled.
[    586] Path cache hits 0 0%
[    586] Path cache hits 0 0%
[    586] Statistics for UDP connection:
Received: 26858 bytes in 1362 packets (19.7195 bytes/package)
Sent: 8618 bytes in 600 packets (14.3633 bytes/package)
Relative protocol overhead: 0.626595 up, 0.4564 down
82 incoming packets had been dropped, 0 outgoing packets had to be resent
0 packets were splitted due to MTU

had desync on first frame again

[imbaczek]

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with other players to rule out pathing miscalculation.

[Neddie]

I honestly don't see why anybody thought it was smart to touch T1 balance, beyond naval units, at all. Overall, T1 was the most consistent and stable section of BA, with the most actual playtesting and tweaking since the primary developer and his consultants were for the most part either 1v1 players or high skill generalists.

Not to say balance was perfect, nothing ever is, but it was pretty solid.

[TheFatController]

I honestly don't see why anybody thought it was smart to touch T1 balance, beyond naval units, at all. Overall, T1 was the most consistent and stable section of BA, with the most actual playtesting and tweaking since the primary developer and his consultants were for the most part either 1v1 players or high skill generalists.

Not to say balance was perfect, nothing ever is, but it was pretty solid.

Was? What's wrong in 6.92?

[Neddie]

I was commenting on the earlier Hammer/Thud changes and connected drama.

[YokoZar]

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with other players to rule out pathing miscalculation.

I couldn't get him to post it, but is it relevant that he didn't desync when we replayed the map?

[TheFatController]

If coop was used its possible it was due to the synced lua messages failing in some way but that would most likely be an engine issue

[YokoZar]

If coop was used its possible it was due to the synced lua messages failing in some way but that would most likely be an engine issue

I'm still convinced it has to do with connecting late, even though we couldn't quite reproduce it on our own when we tried. Maybe lua messages aren't resent if game hasn't started and you're not connected?

[imbaczek]

I couldn't get him to post it, but is it relevant that he didn't desync when we replayed the map?

yes, that should rule this particular problem out.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

you guys are great at slapping eachothers backs, but srsly, ak/pw e-costs are total lulz and hammers are just somthing you build instead of storm/rocko on any map with more than a certain amount of hill (or when there are more than a certain amount of wrecks)- thats not alot of tactical decision in what to build (ie, storms, forever, until you build a better lab on 95% of played maps)

that bullshit about "kbots being hard mode" is another way of saying they are terrible. likewise, saying "they need lots of micro AND MICRO IS FUN YAY"- is kinda an indicator of massive fail since all flash need to be at least as effective in combat is a move order into the enemy stuff

fair enough that giving hammer/thuds complete moving accuracy and high RoF increased their effectiveness a great deal too much for an incremental change, but a flat revert is just weak because now they are just as useless (and playing kbot just as boring) as before.

[[TS]Lollocide]

I've spent some time thinking about the revert.

Basically, it seems like thud's weapon is pisswater weak, along with its turret turning speed and its pathetic moving accuracy.

I'd suggest buffing either the turningspeed/accuracy or the damage, but not both.

And definately not range.