The website (yes, again)

[ralphie]

I find it hard to believe a guy who blogs about star trek toilets has limited amounts of time.

[LordMatt]

lol

[AF]

I already spend large amounts of time developing battlehub and my own website. I make blog posts to keep my site active, and I find them easy to write and enjoyable, considering how much time I have I need time out to do other things.

Whereas building a sites content and transferring the wiki is a task I could not complete unless I worked exclusively on it for a period of time, and I do not have that luxury, nor would it be fair on me. I have already given thousands of man hours yet you expect a new website for free? This is supposed to be my summer holiday, my rest from the world of work before I have to start a job, and at the end of the day what I've done I've done for the community.

I've built a site, I've built a theme for it, I've made sure it works, now I'm asking people help to fill it up, yet they put far more effort into arguing over it and complaining and you wonder why nothing has changed?

[Day]

Siege tank.

[KingRaptor]

If it's just transferring stuff from the wiki to there, wouldn't a bot be more than capable of the task?

[Roflcopter]

Well, I think the point is to improve the current wiki content when putting it into the new site.
So I guess it needs to be re-organized somehow before the transfer.

[Pressure Line]

I already spend large amounts of time developing battlehub

I read that as bathtub lol

[AF]

Im sorry but I had to take the bathtub logo down, it was too distracting

And its not as simple as simply copy pasting wiki pages.

• The current wiki is mediawiki, but the new site is dokuwiki, the two have similar syntax but theyre not the same and direct copy paste looks wierd
• There is no 'wiki' page, the site itself is the wiki and things need restructuring around that paradigm
• A lot of the data in the current wiki is obsolete and needs removing
• Much data is incorrect or out of date and needs ammending or 'flagging' as out of date

I started a thread with an attached proposed structure for the new websites wiki, and tobi made a post suggesting amendments, yet nobody else showed an interest.

In my opinion we should prioritize deployment of the new site, and then once that is complete we can discuss further changes to the aesthetics. Tobi has stated that once a functional amount of the wiki has been moved over, we can deploy the new site.

[smoth]

your definition of functional wiki is different then mine. IIRC you felt that most of the wiki was pointless.

[AF]

I consider wiki pages that are obsolete or contain information that no longer applies to be somewhat pointless.

[Hobo Joe]

I'd be happy to contribute to filling up new wikipages.


But as I know diddly squat about code and all that, someone would have to port it over first.

[AF]

Its easy. Open the page in the old wiki. Edit it, copy all the text, paste it in a new page in the new wiki, and fix the formatting (aka bold italics headers etc)

But direct copying is not suitable since the wiki we have is horrendous, and its best rewritten anyway.

[Pressure Line]

are there any parts that specifically need porting? i could/should probably have a look at the mod/game making stuff, include some of the newer tutorials etc

[AF]

I would say mainly those linked from the stickies in the development forums

[smoth]

and everything under the game/mod development.

[SwiftSpear]

Can I make something clear?

The new website gets deployed when enough of the wiki is transferred over.

Nobody is working on transferring wiki pages or the restructuring.

Every time people start to get the idea its ok todo it we get a roflcopter design or some other website thread and all work on the new site immediately stops because people think its not safe and could be a waste of time.

People thus expend effort criticizing and praising the photoshop mockups

Repeat the above over and over again on a roughly 2 month cycle.

Now I have not got the time to transfer wiki pages over myself. I have battlehub, I have other projects, Ive got my website, and pretty soon event hose will need to be scaled back as Ill have a job what with it being a part of my degree course. You cannot rely on me to do the entire site for you. I cannot do the content, and my time is already stretched as it is.

But you as a community are wasting your time

The wiki isn't a factor significantly holding back the switch over. We'll be keeping a backup of the old wiki up until the wiki is ported over, but the new site can be put up with little of the old wiki content ported. Not that I don't want people porting over new content, but the signifigant factor holding back the new site is a lack of polish for the frontpage and very few of our site pages having been populated yet. AFAIK we don't currently have a news page mockup, a staff page, a FAQ, a screenshot showcase, forum to news functionality, or a wiki organization structure... well, at least none of that is written down yet, let alone made.

[AF]

We already have news listings on the front page, and once again I think this is a case of people remembering what they originally saw rather than checking back and seeing things have changed.

For example, the front page I put up that nobody noticed unless I told them directly.

screenshots are also easily a wikipage

[Hoi]

i could copy paste and edit a full s30 making tut, but i really cant find the link to the new site, and g2g now, so can anyone link me the page?

[AF]

http://newspring.darkstars.co.uk

[Hoi]

http://newspring.darkstars.co.uk

thanks