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[Warlord Zsinj]

I wasn't attempting to contribute to his argument, but counter and disprove it, with a slight sprinkling of belittling of his argument. All perfectly reasonable argumentative ploys.

In terms of contribution to the discussion, I felt it was a perfectly reasonable addition. The bomb, perhaps not. I don't need to write half a paragraph, or refrain from the mention of pastry products in order to prove a point, or contribute to a discussion

[clericvash]

I wasn't attempting to contribute, but counter and disprove, with a slight sprinking of belittling of argument. All perfectly reasonable argumentative ploys.

No it's not, not at all, you said nothing remotely towards this threads topic or to what he said, seriously, your just carrying it on now. I am not going to reply to you anymore.

You wanna post about people baking a cake, fine, post crap where it belongs in offtopic forum.

This forum needs actual moderation, end of, i'm off to work, bye.

[ralphie]

You guys think this forum is bad, check out the Swedish Butterfly Appreciation Society forum. They are a rowdy lot.

[Sleksa]

stop being a emo AF

[AF]

Warlord in future it might be better if you made things clearer. Simply posting a picture can be an issue as a picture speaks a thousand words and not all of them are what you want. There's little distinguishing it from a troll bait.

And yet again from sleksa. Using the word emo for every thing's just stupid.

[rattle]

That being said, certain people do have a habit of posting regularly without adding anything to the discussion at hand, without naming names >_>

Hur hur...

Anyway, strict moderation all the way. No more talking, one warning then BAM... err ban. Temp bans for a week at minimum tbh. Because... "LOL I GOT BANED FOR A DAY WHO CARES".
Eventually people will fear to be temp (or perm) banned and stop being pricks. The power system is the only one that works right from the start (just like cup said). No more talking sense, it just doesn't work in the long run.


Weren't we at this point a year ago?

[Sleksa]

for everything yes, but you seem to get upset from every single thing and shouting; "OMFG BAN THESE TROLLS SO WE CAN CONTINUE OUR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION" whenever possible.

[DemO]

Where do you draw the line? How does a moderator distinguish whether or not someone is trolling or not? Whether or not someone is trolling is largely a matter of opinion. Someone may take serious offense to a particular comment whereas another person will read it and think nothing of it, even if the comment isnt specifically directed at anyone. And what does a moderator do if someone moans that he/she is being trolled when to everyone else the comments seem reasonable?

There are certain people that use this forum that are very susceptible to getting aggravated over minor things and several that feel obliged to reply to totally insignificant or non-constructive posts.

First people should learn to discipline themselves before trying to force their version of discipline on other people. Personally I think the forums are fine because I don't get all wound up and engulfed in the majority of supposed flame bait or random off topic posts on these boards, nor do people try and "bully" me on the forums because I'm not as susceptible to getting wound up or angry as other, easier targets.

Sure, its lame when people try and wind other people up on purpose, but I'd say more often than not these people get wound up even though nobody is actually trying to achieve this.

[Neddie]

There's a new sheriff in town. Y'all gonna learn some respect for the law

Actually, I should amend that. There are multiple new sheriffs in town. Y'all gotta keep eyes in the backs of your heads if you're engaged in shady activity.

[rattle]

Judge "I AM THE LAW" Nedd.

[Neddie]

It was certainly absurd when Judge Dredd arrested Batman.

[SwiftSpear]

The vast majority of people who acctually undertake banable offenses on this forum are content creators. Smoth, forb, lathan, gnome, there don't exist these hoards of trolls who somehow provoke them into being pissed off, it's usually someone trying to be funny at an inappropriate time or someone passively making a comment that is just wrong and generally being accidentally stupid. Fair enough someone like tired occasionally comes along and intentionally does things that still up the beehive of content creators, but they always have a motive and aside from the obvious flaming that DEFINITELY went both ways, these guys don't generally break other rules.

I maintain the rules the way I do because I don't want to ban the people who contribute to spring for accidental argumentative fallacy and emotional involvement with what they do.

[rattle]

Well you should, you as in you all. No exceptions should be made for anyone.

Dunno how often I bent or broke certain rules and got away with it. I got like one warning in total.

[AF]

Sure, its lame when people try and wind other people up on purpose, but I'd say more often than not these people get wound up even though nobody is actually trying to achieve this.

If this were an isolated incident yes you would be fine in saying that but it isn't isolated. If they're made aware that they're unintentionally winding someone up and despite that continue to do it, that's trolling. Numerous people on these forums do this and have done it for the past 2 years or longer.

Swiftspear, we have large giants roaming our community building things. These giants are pestered by trolls who walk around and throw a stone when nobodies looking then whistle and walk away. The giant gets angry as this happens on a regular basis. The giant after a few cocurrences starts going on rampages to try and defend themselves. The moderator however punishes the giant for the rampage frustrating the giant even further. The moderator did not see any boulders or bricks being thrown and ignores any small prods or stones thrown because they're small, and alone they're insignificant.

Eventually the giant leaves for greener pastures out of frustration and the stones start flying at somebody else. The giant may miss things and return only to remember why it left, and the general populous says that the giant left because they went emo on stupid things.

If I prodded you in the arm every morning on the way to work for 2 years would you be happy to let me continue? And if the people responsible for preventing it refused to discipline me because its 'just a prod' would you be happy? And if you blew up one day because of it and they labelled me as a blameless victim and you as the aggressor would you see that as fair?

And what if when you finally complained people started saying you were acting unfairly as society as a whole did not behave that way despite me not prodding each and every person alive in the arm every morning?

Now that's a predicament. Attacking or defending against the provoker labels you a provoker and the provoker a victim. No matter how thick skinned you are eventually your going to grow tired of all that constant poking, and when you do people will label you as thin skinned and unable to handle anything no matter how long you held out. Poking is a non moderatable offence and does not constitute harassment. In this situation, I as a prodder am in a win win situation. I get the kicks watching you squirm and I'm untouchable. Any attempt to touch me results in a banstick landing on your ass and a free fireworks display for me and an extra critical hit for you.

Right now the most powerful trolling tool on this forum is not the trollers themselves its the moderators who moderate harassed people for finally cracking. When this happens huge anger and resentment is generated, and it ripples out into the community. What's more the troll is not seen to be punished.

In fact unless a troll actively attacks the forum itself or a moderator, there is little or no proof to forum goers that any moderation has occurred at all save perhaps a locked thread (free personal secretary for quickly disposing of waste threads so that new ones can be started, troll friendly moderation. People forget about the thread quickly as it scrolls down into the recycle bin in the moderator forums).



Rattle is right. No exceptions for anybody. But if moderation actually dealt with the cause then these content makers who go on the rampage into moderatable behaviour would never have a reason to do so. These occurrences would be massively reduced.

[AF]

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[tombom]

I PMed a mod and he was muted within a minute.

I agree with SwiftSpear, again. I've never seen anyone constantly troll anyone. The whole trolling business is kind of overblown. There are times when people say deliberately provocative things but they're usually dealt with pretty quickly. Most of the tension in the community comes from misunderstandings, thing skins and strong language.

[AF]

I saw, [XHC]DaveTheBrave

[Felix the Cat]

The vast majority of people who acctually undertake banable offenses on this forum are content creators.

Which brings up a good, legitimate point.

Should there be a double standard for content creators vs. others?

and also

Should there be a double standard for long-standing members vs. others?

[Erom]

Seems to me that, ideally, we wouldn't have to artificially protect contributors, but with the size of this community, can we really afford to start losing the people who actually do things? I don't know the answer to that, but I suspect the answer is no.

[Tired]

Whether or not someone is trolling is largely a matter of opinion.

Oh yeah, we're living in Einstein's universe now. 0o

I feel that bans should be frequent and stiffly enforced. Just don't ban me!

Keep pressing for the stiff bans, all. Ya live by the sword, ya die by the sword.^.~