Absolute Annihilation 2.11

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 25 Aug 2006, 15:10

*deleted! :O*

Acidd_UK · Post by **Acidd_UK** » 25 Aug 2006, 15:13

I don't think a shiva's weapon is anything liek as powerful as the Taars though. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone have the numbers handy?

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 25 Aug 2006, 15:50

Cabbage wrote:+1!

Think before you type drone!

I do. At the moment, Vehicle starts seem to lose 75% of the time, becuase:
Con vehs are slower to build, and you get less of them for the same price as kbots
You get more kbots (Which are just as powerfull, but cheaper and have less armour) for the same price (2 peewees has the same metal cost as one Flash, Yet have the same armour and double the firepower)
And most vehicles turn fucking slowly.

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 25 Aug 2006, 15:51

Kixxe wrote:
Lies, I hardly ever see Krogtaars built, hovers suck compared to everything, Arty hover is extremely overpowered, Vehicles need a huge buff, And Orcone should be rmoved, Maqinly just to spite speedmetallers.
LOL SARCASM

Oh, Really? The anaconda does the same dps as the stumpy, but has 400 less hp and costs twice as much.

Arty hovers outrange most l1 defences with the cost of a l1 unit. The only thing they don't outrange are guardians, which cost 1500 metal.

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 25 Aug 2006, 15:52

Acidd_UK wrote:I don't think a shiva's weapon is anything liek as powerful as the Taars though. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone have the numbers handy?

Correct. It has the goliath weapon and the Diplomat missle. Which makes it usefull at close and long ranges.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 25 Aug 2006, 16:22

Drone_Fragger wrote:I do. At the moment, Vehicle starts seem to lose 75% of the time,

Not in the hands of a skilled player. Balancing the game around the inabilities of unskilled players will severely unbalance things for high-level play. (Though vehicle starts for Arm will, as the Flash sucks now and is getting buffed a little next version. Vehicle starts for Core are perfectly viable.)

Con vehs are slower to build, and you get less of them for the same price as kbots

But the resulting vehicle builds things faster. It's an acceptable trade-off.

You get more kbots (Which are just as powerfull, but cheaper and have less armour) for the same price (2 peewees has the same metal cost as one Flash, Yet have the same armour and double the firepower)

Except 1) those Peewees are worse at pretty much everything than the Flash, as you lose half that firepower when one dies and 2) KBots in general are not "just as powerful" as vehicles. Vehicles, for example, have artillery, which KBots can't match.

And most vehicles turn fucking slowly.

Read the changelog, kthxbye.

PRO_rANDY · Post by **PRO_rANDY** » 25 Aug 2006, 16:46

Drone_Fragger wrote:
I do. At the moment, Vehicle starts seem to lose 75% of the time

I strongly disagree!

Zenka · Post by **Zenka** » 25 Aug 2006, 16:54

PRO_rANDY wrote:
Drone_Fragger wrote:
I do. At the moment, Vehicle starts seem to lose 75% of the time
I strongly disagree!

+1
most Vehicles are faster and stronger then the k-bot counterpart. in trade of less climing capabilities. On most maps they don't even need it.
I see vehicles win most of the time.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 25 Aug 2006, 17:04

yes but guys it would be nice if you stated your opinion on the change (-100 metal for v plant cost) as well as sayings drones wrong
I'm strongly against it, just in case anyone cares ^^

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 25 Aug 2006, 17:41

Fine, But hovers are still drastically underpowered.

Egarwaen · Post by **Egarwaen** » 25 Aug 2006, 17:42

Drone_Fragger wrote:Fine, But hovers are still drastically underpowered.

Not if the plant's dropped to L1 costs, the rocket hover's upgraded a bit, and the costs of the others are dropped a bit.

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 25 Aug 2006, 17:52

Also, the removal of the Krogtarr is to differ the variations a bit. now Core don't have the small one, arm don't have the omfg huge one. Cadyr might nerf down the Kragneth a little just like he's doing the oppsite with the banta.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 25 Aug 2006, 18:09

Filling taar's role is shiva (a superior cost for dps/hp unit which is also amphibious and reasonably fast) or karganeth, which is a great all-round unit featuring staggering anti-air capabilities.

Yes hovers are suck. I should've made this clear earlier, but my todo list actually says:
"rebalance sea, seaplane, hover for cost/effectiveness vs comparable units" not just "rebalance sea"... sorry if anyone got a wrong impression there. Sea, in my mind, implied hover changes since that's where their main advantage comes in.

I don't know if anyone's noticed, but I've been revamping AA with spring in mind, heavily focusing on one unit type at a time, getting the balance "just right". This is why 9/10 of you are urging me not to touch ground balance - it's at that stage now so I'm moving on to the next problem area. Now it's water's turn.

Pxtl · Post by **Pxtl** » 25 Aug 2006, 18:53

Caydr wrote:Filling taar's role is shiva (a superior cost for dps/hp unit which is also amphibious and reasonably fast) or karganeth, which is a great all-round unit featuring staggering anti-air capabilities.

Yes hovers are suck. I should've made this clear earlier, but my todo list actually says:
"rebalance sea, seaplane, hover for cost/effectiveness vs comparable units" not just "rebalance sea"... sorry if anyone got a wrong impression there. Sea, in my mind, implied hover changes since that's where their main advantage comes in.

I don't know if anyone's noticed, but I've been revamping AA with spring in mind, heavily focusing on one unit type at a time, getting the balance "just right". This is why 9/10 of you are urging me not to touch ground balance - it's at that stage now so I'm moving on to the next problem area. Now it's water's turn.

The 'neth and the Shiva are both special-purpose units (all-terrain with all-purpose weaponry vs. amphibious) and as such with both those units you pay the premium for their versatility. Likewise, the Jugger is too slow to use as a skirmisher/assault unit. Only the Krogtaar is a standard, stand-up-fighter for a standard flat-map-brawl... which does make it slightly redundant with the Goliath, but the Goliath doesn't have the manoeverability of the Krogtaar.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:02

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:03

Drone_Fragger wrote: I do. At the moment, Vehicle starts seem to lose 75% of the time, becuase:
Con vehs are slower to build, and you get less of them for the same price as kbots
You get more kbots (Which are just as powerfull, but cheaper and have less armour) for the same price (2 peewees has the same metal cost as one Flash, Yet have the same armour and double the firepower)
And most vehicles turn fucking slowly.

Dude, you have no clue how to play with vehs. Wathc rAndy, myself, or Nixa use Instigators on Comet sometime. In fact, watch anyone with a good clan tag use instis on *any* map.

The 'neth and the Shiva are both special-purpose units (all-terrain with all-purpose weaponry vs. amphibious) and as such with both those units you pay the premium for their versatility. Likewise, the Jugger is too slow to use as a skirmisher/assault unit. Only the Krogtaar is a standard, stand-up-fighter for a standard flat-map-brawl... which does make it slightly redundant with the Goliath, but the Goliath doesn't have the manoeverability of the Krogtaar.

TRUTH!

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:04

And who gives a crap about fancy fx if half the game's balance (which is good, only thing that needs fixing is SEA. SEEAA!) takes it up the ass.

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:11

Caydr wrote:pic

that looks freaking awesome

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:16

sweet lasers :)

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 25 Aug 2006, 19:50

Dragon45 wrote:And who gives a crap about fancy fx if half the game's balance (which is good, only thing that needs fixing is SEA. SEEAA!) takes it up the ass.

oh for the lo...

Dragon. Stfu. I mean it. Shut your mouth. Just stop talking. Your not contributing anything with that. You've already said it a 1000 times. you and everybody else. Can you stop it?

NONE of you have tried the new version. NONE of you have any right to say it will ruin AA. You can start whining with the next version release, but believe me, Cadyr IS gonna do these changes, and he will only respond to constructive criticism, like Pxtl wrote for example. What he doesnt need is a bunch of nobodies repeating "YOUR DOING IT WRONG, DO THIS INSTEAD" like a cd player stuck on repeat. Hey, here's an idea, instead of trying to convince him that's he's an idiot, why don't you try to compromise? Tell him to do this instead, such as raise some other unit to fit the unit direction of the Taar.

├âÔÇªlease, keep personal opinion WITH constructive criticism.

Or shut your mouth.

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Absolute Annihilation 2.11