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Cheesecan
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Re: Wikileaks

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BaNa wrote:
Cheesecan wrote:terrorism terrorists blabla global war on terror
hahaha terrorism

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boy you sure are a funny boy

edit: also, compare and contrast this to this
to this

U MAD BRO?
It's not very funny when I was 10 km from a terrorist bombing the other day.

As far as your stats go, it's not possible to prevent heart disease(well, not in the same sense), but terrorism is a preventable cause of death that shouldn't even exist.
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Re: Wikileaks

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Cheesecan wrote: It's not very funny when I was 10 km from a terrorist bombing the other day.

As far as your stats go, it's not possible to prevent heart disease(well, not in the same sense), but terrorism is a preventable cause of death that shouldn't even exist.
A: So are the civilian casualties these wars are reaping

B: I'm pretty sure that throwing more than a trillion dollars at a randomly selected item from that list would yield a lot more saved lives than the terrorists have taken.

C: It's not very funny when I was 10 km from someone dieing of cancer the other day
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Re: Wikileaks

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Cheesecan wrote: As far as your stats go, it's not possible to prevent heart disease(well, not in the same sense), but terrorism is a preventable cause of death that shouldn't even exist.
Preventable at what price?
Diseases are preventable at much lower cost. Just adjusting diets and moving more can cut premature deaths to half easily.
Do you really think its worth hundreds of thousands of killed people and more than you pay for school or healthcare?

These are the costs last year.
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Gota
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There are other things to consider than immidieate needs.
Why did they USA enter Europe?why not just fight the japanese,the russians were already raping the nazis anyway.
Should have spent the money they spent on the invasion on medical research and so on...right? NOT.
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Re: Wikileaks

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We are fighting a global war on terrorism
You are not. You are fighting local wars for capitalism. These documents also shows that US aren't the nice guys they claim to be. You have been so indoctrined you can't see it anymore. But imagine one day your school and local factory got blown up by a foreign country you aren't even at war with. Or imagine one day half your town was flattened, all your neighbour slaugthered, for no reason, and not even by a regular army. Or that one of your friend got abducted and tortured for no reason by spies of a foreign power. How would you call it? Just necessary global actions for a safer world? Or random acts of terrorism? Because that is exactly what the US is doing to afghanii and irakii.
can't have national secrets being spread by Sunday press.
This isn't WW2, not even Cold War. There's no outside threat to the safety of US soil. The only threats to US freedom are the foulish laws passed under the pretense of antiterrorism. But pretending to be in a warstate is a convienent way to silence any opposition, to justify any injustice, to cover any corruption, and to funnel all state money to friends in the industry.
It could be argued this information is not of sufficiently sensitive character, but it was obtained illegally. There is no way to legitimize thievery, even if the material is interesting to read.
It is argued that while a private leaking military secrets might be guilty, an editor publishing them is not.
It is proper to throw assange in jail.
Assange is not a US citizen, and does not live in the US. Some people still cling to the old fashioned idea that the US has not right to enforce its own national law internationally.
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Re: Wikileaks

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Its also funny that bribes to russian officials could pay trip for Mars :)
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Gota
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Licho wrote:Its also funny that bribes to russian officials could pay trip for Mars :)
well i take all that info with a pinch of salt..
I dont doubt tht the russian government is super corrupt but lets first compare it to the corruption in other big economies.
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Technically, the US war on terrorism has created more terrorist than it has killed : Irak wasn't into terrorism under Saddam Hussein. But now that it's under US occupation, it has become a hot breeding ground for terrorism.
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Thats perception of corruption by people in the country. Top ones have lowest percieved corruption.
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Licho wrote:
Thats perception of corruption by people in the country. Top ones have lowest percieved corruption.
It's stats from 2005, funny if you think about the mess with Iceland banks since for example.
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i guess that "least corruption" statistic is in fact a "best propaganda" statistic.
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Good to know the porn industry's doing well at least.
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this year, i was 2m from someone dieing from cancer, caused by the second largest industry in the country, during time of war.

then i guess.. you could argue that war is good for the health of US soldiers, cause they might not move as much if they would not be in the military, and not being in the military is more likely without war. that would be worth a graph! death rate among US soldiers vs non-soldiers. -> McDoinnalds more dangerous then terrorists?
.. though.. they sure get the same food down there too, crippling the statistics. :/
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Re: Wikileaks

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zwzsg wrote:Technically, the US war on terrorism has created more terrorist than it has killed : Irak wasn't into terrorism under Saddam Hussein. But now that it's under US occupation, it has become a hot breeding ground for terrorism.
I think you might have your letters mixed up a bit z. IraQ != IraN
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What did he say that wasn't true? The only ties the Hussein government had for terrorism was paying off the families of Palestinian suicide bombers... which, while supporting terrorism, is hardly what people had in mind.

The Iraq war created a massive amount of militias and terrorist groups in Iraq. The only reason they stopped doing this was the US government started handing buckets of money over to these paramilitary groups to buy them off during the "surge".

Iran is a far more complicated situation, as sectarian differences mean that Iran's religious crazies are separate from the religious crazies in the rest of the middle east.
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Re: Wikileaks

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Does your family need to get blown up before you see the necessity of the war on terror?
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Al-Qaeda bombing in Spain 2004.
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Forboding Angel wrote:
zwzsg wrote:Technically, the US war on terrorism has created more terrorist than it has killed : Irak wasn't into terrorism under Saddam Hussein. But now that it's under US occupation, it has become a hot breeding ground for terrorism.
I think you might have your letters mixed up a bit z. IraQ != IraN
I'm pretty sure he meant Iraq (or Irak, as it's written in many european languages) - Saddam Hussein and US occupation don't mix with Iran
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Re: Wikileaks

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Cheesecan: Does your family need to get blown up before you see the futility of the war on terror?
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US bombing in Afganistan.
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Re: Wikileaks

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Cheesecan, what you are posting makes no sense. I could post gore pics from car accidents or diseases, both kill waaaaay more people than al-quaeda ever did.

Also, you know what has killed at least fifty times more civillian people than al-quaeda? The US in Iraq.
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