Wikileaks

[PicassoCT]

Dont forget that, especially when you are intelligent, sometimes there is no right choice, just multiple scenarios with various outcomes, you can bet on some, you can wait till the optionwindows close, but the ilusion of you choosing the right thing, is something that your mind makes up, after it had time to rewrite your personal history.

Obama did a lot of good things, he supported indias economy (one of the good side effects of this war are empty ships driving home from pakistan) and helped the industrial revolution to travel on (in 30 years it will extinquish in china, due to agepyramid)

If you take a president as only responsible for your comforts and benefits in the here and now, he is the holyphail like bush. But there is a world waiting in a near distant future, called tomorrow, and if you lean your ears to your pillow, you can hear your grandchildren screaming "Strangle them, chocke them, they are driving with our blood, they are sitting on chairs made of bones, consuming the very ground beneath our cradles."

If you look at the longterm, the US need a crash, the European Union needs a crash, we need a humanity in a freezer, unable to do expensive moves, but able to compute, to think, to make great plans, solve the brainbugs we suffer, develop technology virtual, test it virtual, abandone it virtual. We need to overcome a lot of outdated shit like religion, or material expansive courtship rituals, and we are on a good way towards this goal. Its a bad thing we are the generation, were the paradise ends, but well, we are leaving it for a grim reality, but not hell. So cancel the fever ilusions of the past? Yes, we can.
Yes, we will.
DO IT.

[MidKnight]

I'll be more careful to not write "Americans" when I actually mean "American Government."

Correct, I have this issue with a lot of posters who act like Americans are the douchebags running our country. There is a growing group of disillusioned Americans who are realizing that we do not in fact have any control over where our country is going. It started with bush and continues with obama. Last election we had a choice between mcain and his battshit crazy sidekick or obama and his corupt as fuck wingman. We don't pick the people running, we just try to vote for the one that is less of a fucking cartoon than the other guy. Why did bush get elected 2 times? because J kerry had a platform of being "not bush" which was fucking retarded and didn't address any issues really.

The american people are stuck on a cruiseship with questionable food with tickets to a location we don't even want to go to. If any of you believe we are all the sort of anti-semetic religious nutjobs we are portrayed as you are a bigot. If you think teaparty people are our majority the same and if you think that any of us like that our governement is playing team america world police while pissing the future of our children and our childrens children away is something we are cool with, WOW.

ffs they are shutting down nasa while they spend BILLIONS to go kill people who honestly will just kill each other if left alone.

Hahaha, this actually describes perfectly the largest problem with Iran's Islamic "republic."

[PicassoCT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7GkIZCe ... r_embedded

[Forboding Angel]

Obama has shown exactly why throwing taxpayer money willy nilly at an economic problem doesn't work. How many of us said that long ago? If you're in debt, spending more money won't get you out of debt, it will just dig the hole deeper.

Obama is like all of Bush's bad sides rolled into one on steroids.

Hopefully the new republican house will be actually good this time, instead of epic fail like during the bush reign. In case none of you noticed, the people on both sides of the line are slapping the shit out of their politicians. Republicans (for reasons known only to god), decided to act like democrats, and the democrats decided that going radical left was a great idea, so both parties have gotten a stern talking to from their constituents. Hopefully they'll actually listen this time, otherwise we're fucked for at least 4 more years.

[Teutooni]

the democrats decided that going radical left was a great idea

Lol, I thought USA had only radical right and slightly less radical right.

[Licho]

Lol .. "radical left"

Radical left here = communists, nationalize everything, all state services free

Radical left in USA are not even centre social democrats of europe..

[zwzsg]

The Wikileak scandal explained to dummies.

[Jazcash]

The Wikileak scandal explained to dummies.

I lol'd wutted

[PicassoCT]

Its since the cold war era ended the watchmen dilema in big. If you make the law, you can break the law- like you want, when you want, you dont even have to care if peope, as long as those cant vote you out. So Assange is dangerous, because he could get, sneaking information to US-Citizens, that doesnt get whitewashed by the media.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

The Wikileak scandal explained to dummies.

it all makes so much sense now!

[AF]

I thought the Obama administration pushed through the bailouts that the Bush administration had also planned to do? The quantative easing and mass bailouts arent an Obama idea at all, if anything they're a Brown idea ( New Labour UK ), and even if that isn't quite true, they're definately not a democrat idea. It would have happened regardless of who was president.

What Im surprised by is that theyre doing more QE and that theyre doing it in such a corrupt way

[BaNa]

Im loving this video too

[SwiftSpear]

I'm not really sure. I think wikileaks is in the right, or at least, they are promoting the values that we will hopefully see in the world 50 years from now, because the alternative is too scary... but at the same time, there is a way things run right now, and there is a safety in preserving those values until the last minute where they will no longer work, so it's hard to say if this kind of "data that used to be private is now public en mass!" is the best way of transitioning to an open and transparent free information world.

I think it shows some really really scary stuff in the old world order that we need to get really offensive about changing as quickly as possible.

[hoijui]

*wikileaks is good, but maybe we should wait with it, though i have no argument for why*

I think it shows some really really scary stuff in the old world order that we need to get really offensive about changing as quickly as possible.

... which you can not do if you do not know about it.

The truth must be told!

We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.

...

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-- and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First (emphasized) Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution-- not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

This means greater coverage and analysis of international news-- for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security...

(i could quote both their speeches as a whole, and they would fit quite nicely still)

[id10terror]

Wow, is it just me or is it hot in here, round page 3 I was beginning to think there wasnt going to be room for me

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

I like wikileaks, i hope they are 'reasonably' careful when releasing data, with a view to not getting anyone killed or imprisoned.

As an Australian I stand behind Wikileaks.
Julian reminds me of Socrates and man do I fell sorry for that guy.

I quite often find myself telling other people what they dont want to hear, for both mine and thier benefit, doesnt mean the take it well tho.

[PicassoCT]

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Arrest him. My internal security feels raped.

[Gota]

I quite often find myself telling other people what they dont want to hear, for both mine and thier benefit, doesnt mean the take it well tho.

This is not adequate social behavior, and I hope you take this well...

[PicassoCT]

Gota, his statement is TopNotchSecret (meaning it should be burried in minecraft near lava), if you mirror it by quoting, you comit a thought crime, and i will have you arrested for that.

[Cheesecan]

If it were russia, japan, israel or china instead, the man would be dead in an alley by now. The US is proving it is above thuggery while still making it clear they can't have one man jeopardizing the lives of millions. Journalists these days help the terrorists. This kind of information is supposed to go into history books 50 years after the fact, not newspapers. We are fighting a global war on terrorism and can't have national secrets being spread by Sunday press. It could be argued this information is not of sufficiently sensitive character, but it was obtained illegally. There is no way to legitimize thievery, even if the material is interesting to read. What gives wikileaks the right to do this? It is proper to throw assange in jail.

[BaNa]

terrorism terrorists blabla global war on terror

hahaha terrorism



boy you sure are a funny boy

edit: also, compare and contrast this to this
to this

U MAD BRO?