LuaUI (0.74b3) may cause crashes when hosting

[ZellSF]

No, debs/ebuilds won't confuse your package manager.

[AF]

err, you still think I wanted to make a script that installs spring by doing all those steps on the users machine?

[el_matarife]

There's a lot of resync work in the trunk too right? Could we push out a patch with that stuff in it but not done? There's probably enough patches/fixes right now to justify a B4, with all the stuff Kloot has done and the Lua changes. It may still be too much work for too little benefit though. Maybe wait another week or two and put it out on a Friday (So we can all play the whole weekend)? LuaUI is still technically beta, if that makes it easier to justify not fixing it immediately.

[jackalope]

Ok I have been a part of this community for the past 8 months and I just have 1 question:

AF why are you always so hostile and difficult all the time? It seems to me like you cause way too much trouble.

[ZellSF]

err, you still think I wanted to make a script that installs spring by doing all those steps on the users machine?

No, read again if you think that's what I just wrote.

[LordMatt]

Ok I have been a part of this community for the past 8 months and I just have 1 question:

AF why are you always so hostile and difficult all the time? It seems to me like you cause way too much trouble.

+1 a nicer, less argumentative AF would be a be a big upgrade IMO.

[AF]

AF responds to all queries and points where he has something to say. This has been AFs policy since december of 2004. The hostility is simply a mirror reflection of other peoples hostility towards me and a more polite community will very likely lead to a more polite AF. Please take note of this as trying to bite AFs head off in the least will get you a barrage of piranhas in return, whereas a nice message will earn you a cookie. Endlessly countering points will eb treated as such with endlessly quashing of points and counter points where appropriate unless utter proof or logical non-underminable arguement is provided.

Do not perpetuate things then groan about them, for you will have had the option to cease at any point within a thread from your first post onwards.

Just a general note

[LordMatt]

AF responds to all queries and points where he has something to say. This has been AFs policy since december of 2004. The hostility is simply a mirror reflection of other peoples hostility towards me and a more polite community will very likely lead to a more polite AF. Please take note of this as trying to bite AFs head off in the least will get you a barrage of piranhas in return, whereas a nice message will earn you a cookie. Endlessly countering points will eb treated as such with endlessly quashing of points and counter points where appropriate unless utter proof or logical non-underminable arguement is provided.

Do not perpetuate things then groan about them, for you will have had the option to cease at any point within a thread from your first post onwards.

Just a general note

It's going to be a hard and lonely life for you if you take that attitude in the real world. Neither I, nor anyone else in the community is out to get you, however your own insecurity makes you feel threatened when anyone criticizes you. Saying that the "community is at fault" for your hostility towards others shows a grave misunderstanding on your part for two reasons: 1) In all the hundreds of interactions you have had with other community members, you are the only common variable. If you really think that everyone (or even a majority of people) are hostile to you, then the simplest explanation is that something you are doing is causing that hostility. 2) You are not a victim that others seek out to abuse, however if you go around being nasty to others, you will bring abuse upon yourself. Unless you really are a nasty, despicable person (which I doubt) how about treating others the way you want them to treat you, rather than trying to mirror what you perceive as hostility back at them.

[AF]

IMSabbel would disagree with you, perhaps when eh next arises from slumber for a spot of Anti-AF hunting he'll pass a comment on that.

I usually just point out flaws in arguements or suggest alternatives. I am indeed polite to a lot of people by default and dont go by any of what i said in the previous post with them. Rather the previous post is the exception and that attitude is primarily on this forum alone, and mainly because of certain individuals who pay no respect at all and thus get the previous post.

Lack fo respect is your root cause here. For a recent example:

I have no desire to unramble your post, so:

[trepan]

In the spirit of full disclosure, that comment referred to:
http://spring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtop ... 583#163583

[LordMatt]

Rather the previous post is the exception and that attitude is primarily on this forum alone, and mainly because of certain individuals who pay no respect at all and thus get the previous post.

Lack fo respect is your root cause here. For a recent example:

I have no desire to unramble your post, so:

So treat those people the way you want to be treated, not the way they treat you. AF, the world is full of anti-social/angry/vindictive/crabby/impatient people. You will gain others' respect by treating them politely even when they don't treat you that way, however you will lose it by treating them just like they treat you (others referring both to the individuals in question, and to those who observe the interaction or hear about it later).

[Tobi]

@el_matarife: It isn't really in a releasable state tbh..., but you can be sure that once we got some basic resyncing working, even if it doesn't work half the time, you can expect a 0.75...

[el_matarife]

@el_matarife: It isn't really in a releasable state tbh..., but you can be sure that once we got some basic resyncing working, even if it doesn't work half the time, you can expect a 0.75...

I was more worried that if we pushed out a patch right now we could expect weird stuff happening because of the half finished resync code in there, and I was wondering if we'd have to take it all back to a branch before release.

[Neuralize]

Ok I have been a part of this community for the past 8 months and I just have 1 question:

AF why are you always so hostile and difficult all the time? It seems to me like you cause way too much trouble.

I don't think it's a matter of hostilities, I think it's an ego issue, he is HIGHLY defensive whenever someone corrects him or suggests an idea alternative to his own. He will go to any length possible to try and have something his way or to prove that he is right, his most common route is to make an extremely large post that usually amounts to absolutely nothing to make it appear that he has actually said something that makes a shred of logical sense. Another common tactic he uses it to reply immediately and stays extremely vigilant upon that thread, posting a reply as many times as he can sans doubling posting.

[AF]

No thats just reading a lot of stuff into thgns that aren't really there neuralize. If I have something to say I'll say it, and you'll find I am vigilant on most threads, initially regardless of whats said in them mainly because they're relevant or interesting at the time, idneed most people do.

And double posts are mostly related to "server error 500" pages.

[elio]

Okay peoples, keep personal things to PM please, tis nice to keep in track of topics without such unrelated things (of this nature particularly) in them. Thanks :) Peace all <3

[AF]

Okay peoples, keep personal things to PM please, tis nice to keep in track of topics without such unrelated things (of this nature particularly) in them. Thanks :) Peace all <3

Its not often the Anti-AF gang get to come out of hiding to but into a thread, and poke and prod at me. Although I must say I dont consider Lordmatt or you in that group.

So tobi, what would you fell would help you speed up the process of releasing a given build of spring? I'm sure that we could help if such a super release script isnt feasable.

[Tobi]

Not really much you can do I think, since it's mostly the dependency on multiple people with the required skills that make it slow now...

I have some things in mind though, but those depend on 3rd parties, so you can't really speed them up yourself:

Once a gcc is released with which is it possible to make a gcc >= 4 crosscompiler (the way it is already possible with gcc trunk) (I believe this happens in march/april according to gcc devs' planning), I plan to set up a buildslave to automatically build "release candidate" exe's, so I don't need to be online anymore for a release. (I'd probably add source package building and maybe deb building too, though I haven't worked out exactly how to do the last one in a safe way on debian (esp. regarding Ubuntu debs)).

I could possibly do this earlier if someone can give me access to a reasonably fast & reliable windows box on which I can set up buildbot etc., though I have no experience with this so it might take a while / I might not be motivated enough to do it

To ease the development process in general, and not necessarily the release speed, but probably the # of bugs fixed per release, you could help confirming bugs & adding clear instructions to reproduce them / or that you tried to but couldn't reproduce them... Or you could make a php script that accepts a stacktrace (in the format in infolog.txt after .cheat .crash) and replaces the hexadecimal addresses with function names by calling addr2line. Ask for details if you feel like implementing that for us

If you have good ideas tho for automation / process speed up etc., feel free to share / implement them...

[elio]

you could make a php script that accepts a stacktrace (in the format in infolog.txt after .cheat .crash) and replaces the hexadecimal addresses with function names by calling addr2line.

doesn't your debugger automatically do that when you import stack traces?

[Tobi]

I can import core dumps, not sure about stacktraces (esp. since they are written by custom code, so it can't know about the format...)