Final Frontier?

[Zoombie]

I'm sorry to say, OP, but FF is not............quite.............slow..................enough. /sarcasim

[Optimus Prime]

the one with the hard head is you. I know that there are a lot of people making FF down for different reasons, but mostly (90% or more) never played the newest version or just a handfull of times. I know that in the lobby there are some fixed persons who make it down if people ask what FF is even if they dont know the truth. The reason is because they cant see when people like FF because than all they said would be wrong and i would be right.
Also i see often in the news when new versions of AA, EE or so come out, but last FF news was long ago. This also happens in the lobby topics, so its not that easy to let people have their own oppinion about FF if there is so much bad propaganda (like this thrad shows).
What would be wrong with letting people make their own oppinion about FF? It has a very good balancing, probably the most spectacular fights, some more features which no other mod has and all i see in the forum is people who VERY rarely played it try to slag it down.
Thats just strange - if you dont like me, its ok to me, but let new people test FF without your oppinions about it. If good people like Kovin or Islington would tell me that its too boring or whatever, i would accept it, but from people who can count their FF tries on one hand - no.

ah and smoth, its funny to see you analysing every word to counter it, even if you know that some of the words are meant in a differnt way.

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[Min3mat]

stop hiding behind other mods. FF balance and gameplay is crap. Live with it.
nonetheless its fun to play once in a while as a change of scene. the same can be said of speedmetal so don't take it as a bloody complement

[smoth]

Optimus, I only discuss FF here where you can see it. It is my HOPE that my words will reach you.

[Optimus Prime]

min3: the balancing is very good and the gameplay too. Dont generalize your oppinion. I met one person in the lobby who told me that he is testing all units vs all other units in 50 vs 50 fights and with a look at the prices. There were only 2 units till now he thinks which could be improved. Sure thats not a guarantee for a perfect balancing, but crap sounds different to me.
If you like it fast Zoombi, play it on speed 3.0 -.-

edit: and again: strange that only people i never met in an online FF game are discussing here and i played against most of all FF players. That just fixes my oppinion that here are only FF noobs discussing (min3 wasnt a noob, but he cant accept my oppinion, which is different from his, so he has to slag FF down)

[smoth]

higher speed can cause desync errors optimus. I had to speed up my mod for that exact reason.

[Optimus Prime]

exactly thats what i meant. You are analysing every word to counter... that was just a joke because FF shall not be such a fast game. If you play table tennis, a match needs about 10 minutes, if you play soccer, you need much more time and no one comes and wants to make real soccer matches shorter.

[Forboding Angel]

exactly thats what i meant. You are analysing every word to counter... that was just a joke because FF shall not be such a fast game. If you play table tennis, a match needs about 10 minutes, if you play soccer, you need much more time and no one comes and wants to make real soccer matches shorter.

You're an idiot.

[Optimus Prime]

as long as an idiot says that to me, it doesnt cares me.
How i love forums with real moderators -.-

[smoth]

exactly thats what i meant. You are analysing every word to counter...

I think you are misusing analysing. I am not countering every word. I really think you need a better dictionary.

The three sentences before this one are what you are saying I am doing... that is not it.

that was just a joke because FF shall not be such a fast game.

We are saying that it needs to be sped up though.

If you play table tennis, a match needs about 10 minutes, if you play soccer, you need much more time and no one comes and wants to make real soccer matches shorter.

And in this instance... we are saying.. it plays too slow... the game is in overtime.

[Optimus Prime]

i dont use a dictionary, in german, it would be correct.
We can discuss this in german too, than i would be the one who would laugh @Forboding Angel
If this discussion would have a good point at all, i would see that it is worth to make good sentences and i would use a dictionary, but for just a conversation to show other who is the most rude person, i m too lazzy to look into a dictionary - sorry.

[Noruas]

If this whole argument is that the game is too slow, and is crappy gameplay, then it should be easy just to make an AA variant of FF.

[Nemo]

Already done, but there wasn't much interest at the time.

Low Fat FF.

Of course, it might play as crappily as the original FF, but at least its faster and makes rushing feasible.

Keep in mind that that version depends on FF 1.15, so you'll need to open it up and fix the dependancies in order to try it.

[smoth]

@OP....

The point is you misunderstand me.. I am not hanging on your words. I am not over analying anything. You act like I am attacking but I am not doing anything to you. I understand that english is not your first language. However, you need to recognize that you are not entirely correct when you are translating me.


As far as FF I am trying to say this...

*tact off*
*brash on*

FF plays too slow
FF is not balanced in a way that is fun
FF is not fun

*brash off*
*tact on*

That is what my point is.

[Optimus Prime]

If this whole argument is that the game is too slow, and is crappy gameplay, then it should be easy just to make an AA variant of FF.

the gameplay is crap to them because it is too slow. So thats the mainarguement vs FF. This dont means the speed of the units and the weaponspeed, both are higher than in most mods because all units are flying, but they speak about the duration of battles. In FF most units have a lot of HP to have big long battles.
They like it to controle a single AK and destroy with it half of the economy of a base if you break through the defence. And all that in 10 sec (like you can see when 100 windgenerators blow up at the same time).
But you have to watch and hear the E3 supreme commander video, than you know, why FF is different and in my oppinion better than the rest.
In sup comm, the game will be won with the best tactic on the battlefield when you send big groups in combat and not like in most mods when you move with some small units through the defence and blow up the whole base.
So you have to choose which units you want to use and from which side you attack. Battles need more time this way, but exactly thats what i want.

edit: cause of smoth

FF plays too slow
FF is not balanced in a way that is fun
FF is not fun

exactly here you are wrong i think. You have to play some battles with a lot of players on a right map and i think that most people who dont like FF will understand what i wanted to say them all the time.
You act like I am attacking but I am not doing anything to you

nice to hear that. Because i think most people here try to slag me and the mod down and i think thats very sad. No one of you knows me in real and i think without this forum but only in real contact, most of us would be much nicer to each other. This is the reason why i try to never become very rude in a forum because behind the nicname, there is another human person sitting and we all should try to make the internet not a place to fight each other but a place to help and discuss in a gentle way.

[smoth]

But you have to watch and hear the E3 supreme commander video, than you know, why FF is different and in my oppinion better than the rest.

You are one of the few that does. Just saying that illustrates the problem. you are not the be all end all you have to accept that other people may have it correct and you are wrong.

In sup comm, the game will be won with the best tactic on the battlefield when you send big groups in combat and not like in most mods when you move with some small units through the defence and blow up the whole base.

Hmm, I played your mod at least. That doesn't work out in gundam. ESP with the epic comms.

So you have to choose which units you want to use and from which side you attack. Battles need more time this way, but exactly thats what i want.

That exists in gundam an EE. What makes your mod slow is bad economy design, poorly managed buildtimes etc. We have been over this MANY MANY times. You choose to ignore us then bitch when we don't play.

[Optimus Prime]

but you and the rest are ignoring when i tell you, that good players like me, kovin, islington, xcrist and so on dont have a problem with the economy. Sure you cant spam a horde of units in the first 5 minutes, but if you would let start 2 games parallel (one AA, EE, XTA and one FF) you would see, that my eco in FF is better than in most other mods in the same time (in relation to the unit prices in the different mods). Even min3 told me that the eco is good in FF when i wanted to boost it a bit after the last big discussion.
Its just that you play maps which arent designed for FF. I cant accept you here because i know that you are wrong and you will not accept me, because you wont try it out, but if you would in FF-surrounded or FF-asteroid battle, you would see that i m right.

[Forboding Angel]

heh, ff eco sucks, badly.

[smoth]

but you and the rest are ignoring when i tell you, that good players like me, kovin, islington, xcrist and so on dont have a problem with the economy.

look, saying that the people who are VERY good at your mod say it is good is like me saying that all the gundam fans say my mod is better. Those people have OBVIOUS bias. You have to listen to others.

Sure you cant spam a horde of units in the first 5 minutes, but if you would let start 2 games parallel (one AA, EE, XTA and one FF) you would see, that my eco in FF is better than in most other mods in the same time (in relation to the unit prices in the different mods).

I am ok with skirmish sized battles but the system just feels slow and clunky. Things do not flow smoothly it feels very forced. A lot of the numbers really work out in odd ways.

Even min3 told me that the eco is good in FF when i wanted to boost it a bit after the last big discussion.

Um IIRC he still believed that the starting econ needed a lot of work.

Its just that you play maps which arent designed for FF. I cant accept you here because i know that you are wrong and you will not accept me, because you wont try it out, but if you would in FF-surrounded or FF-asteroid battle, you would see that i m right.

OP, you conversion needs to work in all maps only works in a hAndfull of maps then it is bad. I didn't like those maps so I didn't play on them but you need to have your mod work on all maps.

Also again, if you only listen to yourself + fanboys you will get the wrong opinion. I am constantly asking to the point of overkill for opinions ESP from people who do not like my mod. If you want more players accept that you are possibly wrong and need to consider a few things.

[Nemo]

the FF economy is designed around metal maps.

Please don't try to tell me that its a good system.