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kirbyssb · Post by **kirbyssb** » 17 Jun 2006, 00:43

FireCrack wrote:Bah, soulhunter did it again, I advise all sensibles to kick this one

I was in this game. He only did it AFTER a different spec rooting for the other team gave away information on which side of my base was weak.

Soulhunter · Post by **Soulhunter** » 17 Jun 2006, 00:58

I have only ratted out the opposing team twice in my entire playtime (Close to 10k minutes.) on TA: Spring. The very first occasion was the original cause for this thread, and I'll admit I was a sore loser. The reason for my loss I plan on mention ing to the developers of the AA mod.

HOWEVER the second time I have done this was after a member of the opposing team had pointed out several weaknesses in my team's defense to his team AFTER he had the advantage of being a spectator. In my mind, it was fair to then even out the advantages by ratting out ONE location of a weak point to my team upon becoming a spectator.

I do agree that spectators should not be allowed to talk to their teammates after they die, however there doesn't seem to be much of a solution to this problem, as more people are using it to their advantage every day.

Three times over two days I have had different games running where the opposing team had a spectator ruin the game by pointing out weaknesses in defense because they died. Each time it was a different person.

A number of these people are [NR] clan members, who I will not name, as to not be rude unless it is requested. A simple note I have come to know is that the clan [NR] requires microphones to join their clan, presumably for Teamspeak.

I realize Teamspeak is widely used for talking out strategies, but after a spectator who is using Teamspeak dies, it becomes the exact same situation I have witnessed numerous times in previous days.

If you wish to ban me from your games, go ahead, it's in your rights to do so. However, if you're going to join my games and plan on being a poor sport after you become a spectator keep in mind that you too are banned from my games.

Sorry for the long post, but I feel the need to say SOMETHING versus the numerous, complaints against me. It seems as though I'm taking on all the flak from something MANY people have abused

FireCrack · Post by **FireCrack** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:13

kirbyssb wrote:
FireCrack wrote:Bah, soulhunter did it again, I advise all sensibles to kick this one
I was in this game. He only did it AFTER a different spec rooting for the other team gave away information on which side of my base was weak.

Still, doesnt make it right....

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:17

how about this then. When a player dies he is fired back to the battle screen(optional) that would give you worrysome fellows a bit of relief?

Soulhunter · Post by **Soulhunter** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:39

I did NOT give away an antinuke position. You can check the replay even if you wish, Kirby and hawkki found it on their own using scout planes.

kirbyssb · Post by **kirbyssb** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:40

I sent scout planes and saw the anti nuke, then hawkki used strategic bombers to take it out. Soul didnt help with that at all

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:44

smoth wrote:how about this then. When a player dies he is fired back to the battle screen(optional) that would give you worrysome fellows a bit of relief?

qftw....

And guys take your personal disputes to PMs. There is no reason to fill the board with it.

Soulhunter · Post by **Soulhunter** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:50

Alright smoth. I won't post anymore on this thread or any other about disputes, but I refuse to not defend myself over pointless personal attacks.

Essentially the start of this thread was against me, and I have expressed my opinion about that already.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 17 Jun 2006, 01:53

report it to a moderator. I am sure they, like myself do not want to see any more public battle royales.

It was intevitable that people would start finding/bitching(even if it didn't happen) about cheating. I made the suggestion that I did so if people are really worried about it they can turn on that option. As far as calling ANYONE out on something. Do it either in a private room with a moderator in spring lobby or over PM. There is no reason for any more public ego flailing.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 17 Jun 2006, 02:34

Okay.

Soulhunter, FireCrack, nobody gives a f*ck about your problems. Take your petty arguments elsewhere.

Soulhunter, if you don't like FireCrack, don't play with him.
FireCrack, if you don't like Soulhunter, don't play with him.

Problem: solved.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 17 Jun 2006, 02:52

lol sounds like that natwest ad
'*bitching about bank*my bank dumped, my account switched'

btw im not a spambot
*hides from banstick*

KillerD · Post by **KillerD** » 17 Jun 2006, 07:21

Soul srry about taking this far...i was a little pissed but i over reacted....... but i do like the idea that when u die u can only see what ur team see's or saw..lol yeah i play css also so i know what u mean.

Rayden · Post by **Rayden** » 17 Jun 2006, 12:58

Pointless discussion ... many games have specs and all this games have the problem that the specs may cheat if in some program like teamspeak.

If you are afraid don't play in games with specs.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 17 Jun 2006, 13:01

I got a list taped to my monitor...

its got 3 categories:

GOOD PLAYERS

BAD PLAYERS

SH|TTY

the first two are self-explanatory... the 3rd, is game quitters, whiners, bad hosts, low bandwidth game killers, cheaters, and annoying mofo's

caldera · Post by **caldera** » 17 Jun 2006, 15:39

Rayden wrote: If you are afraid don't play in games with specs.

its no problem to kick all the specs in the lobby, ok. but theres still a problem with specs which are former players which were defeated in battle. I think these specs should only see what their mates see...

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 17 Jun 2006, 15:52

I got a list taped to my monitor...

its got 3 categories:

GOOD PLAYERS

BAD PLAYERS

SH|TTY

i'm curious, which one i am in? :D

unpossible · Post by **unpossible** » 17 Jun 2006, 15:57

LathanStanley wrote:
... the 3rd, is game quitters, whiners, bad hosts, low bandwidth game killers, cheaters, and annoying mofo's

lol, i thought that said winners

Arco · Post by **Arco** » 17 Jun 2006, 16:36

I support the "specs can only see their own team" for team games as an option. I don't think it should be forced, though--I play with personal friends who would never cheat against each other and just want to have fun and learn. Being able to sit in spec and learn instead of being harshly kicked to the battleroom is important. However, for competitive team games, kicking or restricting sight to team information only are the only solutions that totally disable their ability to cheat with spec.

As such, I feel it's best as a togglable option when setting up the game. The only situation that's not very clearn is in free-for-all games where one person gets knocked out. If they can only see what's available to their team, they see nothing which would be terribly boring. If they can see everything, the voice chat/IRC/same room loopholes are completely open. Again, this is a call for it to be an option. In competitive, series games where cheating is actually an issue, the host can set it to limited spec view (just as good as kicking from the game, since no one would really stick around with nothing to do--although they could finish up any ingame chat and/or congratulate their conquerors). In less serious games, full spec view can remain on if the host chooses (nice for friendly matches).

Cheery · Post by **Cheery** » 17 Jun 2006, 18:41

caldera wrote:(i think CS had something similar with as deathcam...)

Yep, but it doesn't prevent people from cheating if they want, they just annoyes honest people. In the end the result is inverse, there won't be playing any other but cheaters who exploits those anti-cheat toys you put up there.

If you want no cheaters, you must annoy cheaters, not the other way around. :)

KillerD · Post by **KillerD** » 17 Jun 2006, 22:02

i do like to spec and learn new tatics..so i like having the option to turn on the limit view....and i would like to say, W00t for Custom Colorz! Pink FTW!

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