New team map: Mescaline v1

[Beherith]

Not much. Even with my quite streamlined tools it takes at least a few hours to make a map, since a lot of attention goes into the small details. Its not nearly as easy as running a heightmap through the renderer (just the render itself takes overnight - and if there are any errors, it must be redone)

[Forboding Angel]

Nice job behe, very well done.

Sidenote: Talus would be so much better if the lighting wasn't as harsh.

[SirArtturi]

Gota: As smoth showed in WIP, PD remake as current heightmap itself wouldnt look that could. It still would need some rework to make it look good. PD is yet very simple. Id rather do something really worth of the texture. (Maybe I will, I love making heightmaps, maybe Behe would like to finish it into a map?)

Forboding: How is talus related to this?

[Beherith]

This one also has a bit harsh lighting, but I like that, it gives stuff decent contrast. And the very dark shadows add to scorching desert effect. I wish I could make some nice atmospheric haze and some mirage effect.

Artturi, Ill gladly make you any texture, as long as you're willing to place the features too (i hate that part) and set up the lighting :)

Btw, despite the concept being simple, the map plays extremely well for all types of units. Bots and vecs are both viable, and t1 air (especially bombers because of the tight and localized bases) as well.

[Forboding Angel]

I'm not talking about the shadowing behe (on talus), I'm talking about the sun itself. It's a very harsh red and as a result, considering the map itself it makes for an almost ugly unit look. If the tones were lighter, the effect would still be there without the overdone-ness of it all.

@Sirartturi, read the previous page's posts

An example of the same effect but with more desirable results would be EE-Dustbowl.

[SirMaverick]

Why? You can still easily place a mex and a moho mex side by side.

Only when you plan ahead. With bigger radius it's easier to hide cloaked mexes.

[Beherith]

Yeah, Im not a fan of the off center twilight.

[Gota]

Twilights are not for generating metal.
They are for emping flash :)

[knorke]

the colors and everything look very good and real but if you zoom out and see all the mountains lined up like that it kills the atthmopshere a bit.
The map "tactical divide" did a similiar layout and did not play very good in the few games I played on it. A layout like Brazilian Battlefield might look good with this.

[smoth]

the colors and everything look very good and real but if you zoom out and see all the mountains lined up like that it kills the atthmopshere a bit.

The map edge already does that. Pretty much just have to pout and move on. I do that.

[hunterw]

oh hells yes, that texture is very win

[nightcold]

Is It possible to render more map and just have a maximum zoom out limit on the playable areas.the edges pissing me off

[Beherith]

Yes, its possible. For an example, look at Moor_v2.
There are currently a few issues with it, such as the extras being on minimap, and some orders still take effect outside the playable area.

[SirMaverick]

Afaik there are some lua cameras that prevent zooming out of map edges.

[Beherith]

Yeah, Moor_v2 has one of those too.

[d-gun]

can this be implemented as a widget so that we can use it for any map?

[SirArtturi]

can this be implemented as a widget so that we can use it for any map?

How could that be turned into a widget? It's part of map rendering process. It's just a visual trick.

[fc14159]

The inclusion of puddles of water ruined the visual. There is not a single mode of water that can be visible and actually look right. Basic water is, well, basic water, and the rest are always bobbing up and down with a tide, which makes no sense at all.

[MidKnight]

The inclusion of puddles of water ruined the visual for me. There is not a single mode of water that can be visible and actually look right in my eyes. Basic water is, well, basic water, and the rest are always bobbing up and down with a tide, which makes no sense at all, in my humble opinion.

These, while small, are very important additions to a criticism post. Please take this into consideration in the future.


My personal opinion is that the water is a little out of place, but acceptable. It doesn't fit the desert theme, but it's not very far out of the color scheme.

[Beherith]

I actually more or less agree with you on the water thing. I dont know why, but the water always came out super transparent, no matter what color I set it to. I wanted to make it a heavy, silt laden murky brown, but it just didnt obey my parameters. Now I dont know if this has to do with there being a cap on waterabsorb and other params. But if you have any params that work better, feel free to share.

But then again I might just increase map height...