Why not?

[Forboding Angel]

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[CarRepairer]

The people who complain about DSD are the ones who play DSD. You can't get sick of something if you don't play it. I don't have a problem with DSD because I don't play it every day, I play other maps. You're just sitting there eating peanut butter sandwiches every day muffling through a mouth full of peanut butter about how sick you are of peanut butter. It's really stupid.

So some of you imply or outright state that the administrators of the lobby should do something. Force people to stop playing DSD, force some people to play some other map, force anything on anyone? Also stupid. That's not going to happen, and if anyone in power started taking it seriously, I'd fight against it.

These sorts of threads are numerous and stupid (I used to laugh about it but seriously it's getting old) and I'm calling out everyone who complains about DSD as being guilty of the very "crime" they whine about. Take a look at yourselves.

So you are not willing to wait for a game that is hosting another map because people aren't joining it, then you give in and join the DSD game. Don't blame DSD, you are just one of the contributors to its success.

[Jazcash]

The people who complain about DSD are the ones who play DSD. You can't get sick of something if you don't play it. I don't have a problem with DSD because I don't play it every day, I play other maps. You're just sitting there eating peanut butter sandwiches every day muffling through a mouth full of peanut butter about how sick you are of peanut butter. It's really stupid.

So some of you imply or outright state that the administrators of the lobby should do something. Force people to stop playing DSD, force some people to play some other map, force anything on anyone? Also stupid. That's not going to happen, and if anyone in power started taking it seriously, I'd fight against it.

These sorts of threads are numerous and stupid (I used to laugh about it but seriously it's getting old) and I'm calling out everyone who complains about DSD as being guilty of the very "crime" they whine about. Take a look at yourselves.

So you are not willing to wait for a game that is hosting another map because people aren't joining it, then you give in and join the DSD game. Don't blame DSD, you are just one of the contributors to its success.

You don't even play BA so I can see where you get your opinion from. Really this topic belongs in the BA forum. The majority of BA games are DSD. I play anything that is not DSD whenever I can but I still end up playing DSD more...

[JohannesH]

People playing 8v8 BA DSD are not a problem, if some enjoy it let them. Whats bad is that theres too few other games played, and I'm not so sure if roasting the dsd out would help that.

Hosting games yourself or waiting in an autohost might sometimes seem annoying but if you want to play just this or that what other way can you go.

And autohost management could be better. Make teamsize changeable only with vote on your autohost if you dont want someone constantly lifting it to max on your autohost.

Theres Starcraft mentioned in the OP... BGH might be the most played map but theres still room for 1000s of 1v1 players

[knorke]

so that was probally the "oh-its-new"-effect + the drumming up people.
hardly usefull for this problem.

and how would a new shiney map not have a similar effect?

well reality shows, this effect does not exist or only lasts a few days.
but for example this DSD-island thing where dsd was morphed into a new map got quite some play. Imo it was more interessting.
Would it have gotten the same attention if it had not been a "dsd-remix"? I think no.
The same might work with a 2v2 version of dsd made of an interessting part. (Think the 3 versions of Riverdale)
That has nothing to do with fooling players with changed mapnames or forcing somebody to play something. Because that would be stupid obv.

So you are not willing to wait for a game that is hosting another map because people aren't joining it, then you give in and join the DSD game. Don't blame DSD, you are just one of the contributors to its success.

I do not even have dsd in the map folder atm but you can not really blame people for joining these games if there is no alternative? I now am used to only start springlobby if am playing quake, programming or doing other things on the pc i can interrupt at any time. This way waiting does not suck as bad. But its still kind of gay somehow.

But maybe new players just like the big teamgames because no other rts offer this? I admit, I thought "hey, thats cool" at first too.

[Cheesecan]

If DS is the first thing many new players see, then DS variations(winter,desert,etc) could function as a sort of introduction to (the rest of) spring.

New players will be hesitant to join games with other maps, because they might have already spent a good 100 hours playing only DS-BA.

Now that I think about it, I remember having exactly the same discussion about Speedmetal a few years ago. And Speedmetal went away by itself. That would imply that these maps are just fads.

[CarRepairer]

The people who complain about DSD are the ones who play DSD. You can't get sick of something if you don't play it. I don't have a problem with DSD because I don't play it every day, I play other maps. You're just sitting there eating peanut butter sandwiches every day muffling through a mouth full of peanut butter about how sick you are of peanut butter. It's really stupid.

So some of you imply or outright state that the administrators of the lobby should do something. Force people to stop playing DSD, force some people to play some other map, force anything on anyone? Also stupid. That's not going to happen, and if anyone in power started taking it seriously, I'd fight against it.

These sorts of threads are numerous and stupid (I used to laugh about it but seriously it's getting old) and I'm calling out everyone who complains about DSD as being guilty of the very "crime" they whine about. Take a look at yourselves.

So you are not willing to wait for a game that is hosting another map because people aren't joining it, then you give in and join the DSD game. Don't blame DSD, you are just one of the contributors to its success.

You don't even play BA so I can see where you get your opinion from. Really this topic belongs in the BA forum. The majority of BA games are DSD. I play anything that is not DSD whenever I can but I still end up playing DSD more...

I do have experience in the subject.

I play CA. At one point there was a certain group of CA players who kept voting Comet Catcher into our autohost. I started to get sick of it. I and others complained that that ccr was becoming overplayed but I remained sane about it. Whenever the other players finally settled on that map, I left the host. I didn't start topic threads asking anyone to ban this map or to start some sort of campaign against ccr (which is a perfectly good map). And in CA it's even harder to start a different game because we have much less players, so BA has it easy.

[Jazcash]

I find it sad that there are so many great maps far better than DSD in every respect that have hardly been played. We could delete every map apart from DSD and delete every mod apart from BA and the majority of active Spring players (People who actually play the game) wouldn't lose one bit of sleep over it.

That to me is sad. We've got all this wonderful content and we have more maps than probably most other communities out there yet we don't seem to be able to express it...

In about 90% of new players experiences with most games it goes like this:

• Download and install game, open it up and find a game
• Join the first game I see or the game with the most players in
• Download the stuff I need to play in that game
• Base a general opinion of what they think of the whole game on the one game they've just played
• If they liked it, they'll play again, if not they won't

Therefore I concur that the concept of Spring = BA+DSD+16Players.


Take halo for example, you might end up playing a map you don't want to play but hey-ho, you play it anyway. Every now and then you get a map you do like and you bounce with joy.

It's like food. You like certain foods every now and again. You think that'd be great if you have it all the time. It turns out that you're getting sick of the food you once loved and now you're turning into a big fat man. You start to hate the food, but you're addicted to it. You don't want to it but you find any other food you try disgusting regardless that you used to eat it all the time.


Too much of anything is faggotry.

[Jazcash]

Jibber Jabber

CA is nothing like BA. It's player-base is qualitative instead of quantitative. Most of the CA players actually dev it themselves and most CA players are good players. Every time I've tried to play CA, it's always been on a different map. I'm not experienced in CA so I can't speak what might be true but it's certainly nothing like the current 16BADSD situation.

[PicassoCT]

How about a enforced ruuuuule? Never same map in a row? And dont come me with the players freedom of choice, they get a free game, they get free maps and mods, they can live with every second game not beeing the same.

[Cheesecan]

The map downloader is broken . Each time I want to download a map, I have to:

• click a link
  hope that the link is correct
  download
  move file to right directory
  reload & resync.

That is a lot of steps to go through. This makes me not want to try new maps. Remember that Starcraft automatically started downloading new maps. When the map downloader was working, I had nearly every single map being played in the lobby on my hard drive. I also had a bunch of different mods other than BA. This was just a year ago. What happened?

[Jazcash]

The map downloader is broken . Each time I want to download a map, I have to:

• click a link
  hope that the link is correct
  download
  move file to right directory
  reload & resync.

That is a lot of steps to go through. This makes me not want to try new maps. Remember that Starcraft automatically started downloading new maps. When the map downloader was working, I had nearly every single map being played in the lobby on my hard drive. I also had a bunch of different mods other than BA. This was just a year ago. What happened?

Very true. A working auto-downloader would be awesome.

[SirArtturi]

I play CA. At one point there was a certain group of CA players who kept voting Comet Catcher into our autohost. I started to get sick of it. I and others complained that that ccr was becoming overplayed but I remained sane about it. Whenever the other players finally settled on that map, I left the host. I didn't start topic threads asking anyone to ban this map or to start some sort of campaign against ccr (which is a perfectly good map).

Yes, I've lived that life too... Unfortunately it was very lonely life. I was basically sitting around battleroom alone whole day... Now, when I have less time to fuck around in lobby, I want game as fast as possible. That's for BA case, is too often DSD.

And in CA it's even harder to start a different game because we have much less players, so BA has it easy.

You see how your logic is against the argument you are putting into this discussion. CA playerbase is small and therefore flexible, compromises needs to be done to get game up. For BA, you need to obey the arbitary minds of noobies, who unlock for 16 players and vote 2 for every map suggestion...

However, your former argument fits for this case

Not applicable to CA.

[MidKnight]

One thing i dislike is that popular spring maps (sorry, CCR devs, IceXuick, RuneCrafter, Hunterwreference to tabula, I <3 your newer map colors (tundra, tropical)) have either the texture palette of vomit or are nearly grayscale.

As a result, new players tend to see this:

...instead of this:

[Peet]

Jaz I find it disconcerting that you are simultaneously complaining that BA+DSD players don't play anything else, and telling the people who do play other things to get out of the thread.

[Jazcash]

Jaz I find it disconcerting that you are simultaneously complaining that BA+DSD players don't play anything else, and telling the people who do play other things to get out of the thread.

That's because if the people who do play other things get any closer they will get sucked into the deep dark 16BADSD hole and never return. Save yourselves whilst you still can!

This is about telling the 16BADSD whores to die slowly. I don't want to offend any non-16BADSD'rs by doing so.

[hunterw]

dsd is spring's iron lung

radiohead ftw btw

[PicassoCT]

if we at least had mappromotion material as loadscreens in comon. That wouldnt be that mutch of a sacrifice.

[PicassoCT]

The map downloader is broken . Each time I want to download a map, I have to:

• click a link
  hope that the link is correct
  download
  move file to right directory
  reload & resync.

That is a lot of steps to go through. This makes me not want to try new maps. Remember that Starcraft automatically started downloading new maps. When the map downloader was working, I had nearly every single map being played in the lobby on my hard drive. I also had a bunch of different mods other than BA. This was just a year ago. What happened?

quoted for truth

[koshi]

downloader is back: http://filebin.springlobby.info/springl ... -win32.zip