Transparency & Regulation

[Machiosabre]

or what if Oogok was smoth and people decided to use that opportunity to deride him. Cause less face it smoth's are awful flamable.

wouldn't that be another perk of that system? I mean someone very flamable would not be a good choice for a moderator.

[AF]

Tsuyosa likes power, tsuyosa likes to abuse power, anyone who has sat in #k has seen tsu use her operator status to attack the people in her channel and conduct opwars for fun.

I remember when I made the msitake of giving her op status on banbot and cookiebot for them being in #k and she abused it by banning people and kicking them for fun in other channels, and when she had her privs revoked she would beg for their return and a second chance.

Infact just as I was typing this someone sent me:

ive been in so many games that have ended up as draws..
lol tsuyosa banned 2 of the players and i didnt eve realise

[tombom]

tsuyosa is the ultimate spring troll

[Gota]

You cant say that about a ladder superadmin.

[SwiftSpear]

I have zero power over who is appointed as a spring ladder admin and why. Ladder isn't an officially supported segment of the spring project, it's just the only one of it's kind, and our lobby developer has chosen to support their hardware, but we didn't create ladder and we would have no power to force it to stop or uphold itself differently aside from our ability to rescind lobby support if we deem it necessary.

It's not the first time a ladder admin has been seriously in question either.

[AF]

Tsuyosa is only in that position because people elected her because she was pally and a friend, not because she was responsible and committed. Why else do you think she was thrown out of WarC if not for her conduct?

Either way moderators are elected based on how great the person appears at the time. Who cares what they did as long as they were nice to you it doesn't matter and there's no reason to go finding out if they're really dodgy or not.

Perhaps its too much to ask for people to be vetted by the community before being given positions of power. All you have to do nowadays is befriend the moderators with the most influence and keep your actions in private. Everyone will either say they support you or they dont really know you, and anyone who could speak out against you wont even know until its too late!

[Relative]

I've thought of the perfect solution that should satisfy all parties in this discourse.














Make me a mod

[SwiftSpear]

Spring moderation is not a popularity contest. We have to unanimously approve an applicant based entirely on how effective and capable we believe they will be for the job in question.

You're INCREDIBLY ignorant to assume there is no research into a candidates character and record involved.

Our election system isn't a "yay" or "nay" system. Moderator input on a candidate in question is ALWAYS in the form of "Here is my opinion, this is why I believe it." Even for our fastest and easiest promotions we're talking about days of deliberation taking place.

[edit] The spring moderation logs go back alot farther and more completely than yours do, with the possible exception of you being lurker.

[edit2] The next time I promote a moderator I'll probably run a final pass posting a thread in the comunity asking for feedback/comments. By that point it would be very unlikely to axe the moderator based on that, but we'd still pay attention, and if the issues came up were major enough we may change our mind.

[aegis]

[edit] The spring moderation logs go back alot farther and more completely than yours do, with the possible exception of you being lurker.

ChanServ's > lurker's
for the most part.

[AF]

As far as I can tell you should only have logs for the public channels, and the majority of offences and actions that would damage people most do not occur in public channels.

However if all channels are logged then you're n breach of a lot of data protection and privacy laws in a lot of countries, nevermind the invasion of privacy of private channels, and the moral implications.

[SwiftSpear]

As far as I can tell you should only have logs for the public channels, and the majority of offences and actions that would damage people most do not occur in public channels.

However if all channels are logged then you're n breach of a lot of data protection and privacy laws in a lot of countries, nevermind the invasion of privacy of private channels, and the moral implications.

Every channel within spring is spring property, and every channel that has been registered under chanserv is logged.

[Peet]

As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database.

Chanserv does log all channels it resides in...however we do not access the logs except under highly rare circumstances, and the access must first be enabled by an administrator.

[Tribulexrenamed]

How can I clear the cybering logs?

[lurker]

Does uberserver itself take logs of channels?

[SwiftSpear]

Does uberserver itself take logs of channels?

yes. Once again though, PMs are not logged, although it would be possible for us to do so.

[Tribulexrenamed]

Thank baby Jesus supreme! My secrets remain my secrets!

[Peet]

Thank baby Jesus supreme! My secrets remain my secrets!

We'll be sure to run a traffic sniffer and save all packets that include PMs from you for future arousal.

[lurker]

What I'm really interested in is whether it logs all channels, 'registered' channels by virtue of appearing in .list or something, or a function along the lines of channels with an arbitrary bit set that usually but not always is aligned with showing in .list.

[Tribulexrenamed]

Thank baby Jesus supreme! My secrets remain my secrets!

We'll be sure to run a traffic sniffer and save all packets that include PMs from you for future arousal.

I lold

Lurker, could I delve into your vaste resource of logs? You are of the SiG, are you not? You have an account on the site.

[LordMatt]

I think PMs should not be logged, nor channels that have not be registered.