Be nice?

[manored]

and you know that how..?

Logic tough :)

[Zpock]

Randow doesnt exists, there are merely unknow facts... if one knows everthing that exists on a given universe and its current status, one can predict what will happen with perfection, meaning its not randow.

Are you aware of what quantom physics says on the subject?

[Teutooni]

I did belive in a block universe for some time. Now I'm not so sure. How do you explain conscious experience? With a supernatural soul?

(Block universe is an interpretation of the world where the universe is a four dimensional "block", also called eternalism.)

[manored]

How do you explain conscious experience? With a supernatural soul?

YA :) well, at least I consider my consciency the proof of that the plane of existance we see is far from the only one. Thats why also I believe that there is no randow if you know everthing (particles that behave or exist in randow patterns can probally be understood at a higher level of understanding), altough its highly likely that regardeless of how much you know you never know everthing :)

[SwiftSpear]

How do you explain conscious experience? With a supernatural soul?

YA :) well, at least I consider my consciency the proof of that the plane of existance we see is far from the only one. Thats why also I believe that there is no randow if you know everthing (particles that behave or exist in randow patterns can probally be understood at a higher level of understanding), altough its highly likely that regardeless of how much you know you never know everthing :)

Randomness does exist. At a fundamental level particles are in a state of randomness. You can calculate probability, but never truly "predict"

[Final]

The only essential rule of purpose we as beings currently must obide by is Survival, and all the things which survival entails. Now whether or not that involves particular types of stimulation, such as the production and release of seratonin in our brains (One of the factors of "happiness"), is debateable. So, for instance whether or not "Good deeds" fall under the jurisdiction of survival is also debateable.

Beyond that, we have no rules to follow.

Either our minds are not yet able to comprehend any other essential purpose.

Or we have yet to discover it.

Or it doesn't exist.

[manored]

How do you explain conscious experience? With a supernatural soul?

YA :) well, at least I consider my consciency the proof of that the plane of existance we see is far from the only one. Thats why also I believe that there is no randow if you know everthing (particles that behave or exist in randow patterns can probally be understood at a higher level of understanding), altough its highly likely that regardeless of how much you know you never know everthing :)

Randomness does exist. At a fundamental level particles are in a state of randomness. You can calculate probability, but never truly "predict"

Tough they are at a state of randomness from how we can see then now. In the future we might discover that there is something else there we couldnt see before...

Since our lifetime is currently limited, we probally must, beside surviving, making there be others surviving then we stop doing so :)

[SwiftSpear]

The only essential rule of purpose we as beings currently must obide by is Survival, and all the things which survival entails. Now whether or not that involves particular types of stimulation, such as the production and release of seratonin in our brains (One of the factors of "happiness"), is debateable. So, for instance whether or not "Good deeds" fall under the jurisdiction of survival is also debateable.

Beyond that, we have no rules to follow.

Either our minds are not yet able to comprehend any other essential purpose.

Or we have yet to discover it.

Or it doesn't exist.

The thing is... we can't really even say that survival is an essential purpose. Our genes are written for it, sure, but if there is no higher purpose of things our survival is just as irrelevant as every other force in the universe.

[Forboding Angel]

Competition is what drives human society. We would not be where we are today as humans without competition.

The op concept is flawed in the exact same what that communism is.

If greed could be extracted from human nature, then communism would produce a utopian society. As it can't, it can't.

Greed is not a universally bad thing. It fuels desire, invention, aspirations of self worth, and many other things.

Yes greed is generally considered a bad thing, but it is also greed that causes people to strive above and beyond coupled with determination, but I would argue that greed is what fuels Determination and ultimately, motivation.

[SwiftSpear]

Greed, I would consider desire or aspiration of one person at the expense of another. Desire and aspiration in contrast don't harm another person in their pursuit.

Communism is a method of combating greed, not a method of combating desire or aspiration. Basically, it just puts structures in place so if I do something to improve my life, I have to trickle down some of that to everyone else as well.

[Forboding Angel]

greed ├óÔé¼ÔÇ£noun
excessive or rapacious desire

But communism only really works if greed is out of the picture. Bit of an ironic catch 22 eh?


Greed is not always a bad thing. Greed simply means that you want something badly. I badly want a laptop right now, and I'm going to get one asap << I am greedy for a laptop. That doesn't mean I'm gonna find some hapless stockbroker to take it from. It simply means that I want it very badly.

The word Greed has many meanings. It does not mean that you want to get ahead at others expense, that is merely one definition of it.

RL example btw.

[manored]

Competition is what drives human society. We would not be where we are today as humans without competition.

But competition can be friendly, it doesnt needs to be a life X death thing :)

[Zpock]

When your double or even triple (for zerg) expoing in starcraft at the start, it can be considered as a very "greedy" build. I'd say this is the best example, your greedy when you want someting potentially perilous to others or yourself. Like when you go for too much.

[EGG]

Bah the reason for human existance is mere coincidence and by this reasoning there is no obvious purpose. We merely exist because thats what is natural to do and everyone else is doing it. Development comes from the boredom of having little else to do but exist. Goals and ambition are not real reasons for existence any more than happiness or survival. We are just used to existing.

This all seems a little negative but if you ask me it gives you a carte blanche to do what ever you like, which is pretty good in my book.

[EGG]

oh and decarte was attempting to prove the existance of god not destroy him. In his eyes he succeeded although we generally accept that his argument use less colorful analogies please -moderation

[fc14159]

Why do we have to care about what feelings are right and what the reason for life is? My opinion is that we should all just live as we want, without interfering with others' lives in a negative way. Do to others what you would like to be done to you, and the world will be alright. There is no need to over-analyze everything.

[EGG]

Er did I offend someone, i deliberately didnt swear?

[rattle]

Why are there so many serious threads about bullshit...

[SwiftSpear]

Why do we have to care about what feelings are right and what the reason for life is? My opinion is that we should all just live as we want, without interfering with others' lives in a negative way. Do to others what you would like to be done to you, and the world will be alright. There is no need to over-analyze everything.

It's too hard to make law based on that philosophy... So, for me anyways, it's worth taking it farther. Then again, I find analyzing alot of fun

[EGG]

Why do we have to care about what feelings are right and what the reason for life is? My opinion is that we should all just live as we want, without interfering with others' lives in a negative way. Do to others what you would like to be done to you, and the world will be alright. There is no need to over-analyze everything.

It's too hard to make law based on that philosophy... So, for me anyways, it's worth taking it farther. Then again, I find analyzing alot of fun

um law is based on that