Tibet ~~

[Satirik]

only hippies and nOObs care about the tibet !

[KDR_11k]

China is Economically highly dependant from the US - so if we have recession, Chinas socialglue (Economical sucess) for all its huge povertygaps which will open up at once. After that any surviving Minority will be as free as it can be..

Only stable Democratic Systems survive the Bullshit Capitalism produces on Black Fridays..

Well, only one or two countries actually have Black Fridays.

[Felix the Cat]

[TheRegisteredOne]

Evil Red China culturally genocided 12 billion Tibetans and Dafarians and ran over >9000 school children with lead-painted bandwagons on tientinman squared! It is our obligation to Boycott the genocide Olympics and Chinese takeout n ao!!

[Sleksa]

China is Economically highly dependant from the US - so if we have recession, Chinas socialglue (Economical sucess) for all its huge povertygaps which will open up at once. After that any surviving Minority will be as free as it can be..

Only stable Democratic Systems survive the Bullshit Capitalism produces on Black Fridays..

Actually US has taken a lot of loans from china ;]

[yuritch]

Yes, the dependency goes both ways. Will the US (and Europe, too) be ok without cheap Chinese stuff to buy (considering the fact some of the industries have all but vanished from the US itself, so they have nothing to replace that stuff with)?
As for Tibet, yeah, sure, let's start a civil war in a more-than-billion-population nuclear country to bring freedom and democracy there. A couple hundred million civillians killed should be enough for them to gain freedom... Luckily for them, the Chinese have low threshold on armed forces use inside their borders (unlike USSR in the end of 1980's btw), so any unrests aren't likely to last more than a few weeks or go into large-scale phase.
That is to say, violence is not the answer, and boycott isn't an answer, too. China is changing by itself, it's not the same dictatorship it was 30 yeas ago (not that it's the land of freedom either...)

[REVENGE]

That is to say, violence is not the answer, and boycott isn't an answer, too. China is changing by itself, it's not the same dictatorship it was 30 yeas ago (not that it's the land of freedom either...)

+9001

Damned right. That change will be inevitable, and grow in momentum in the coming decades.

[Sabutai]

http://ninecommentaries.com/

You'd be an idiot to sell them weapons.

[KDR_11k]

China saw a sign saying "free Tibet" and took them up on that offer.

[Sleksa]

Well i think there was atleast a little real good intention on behalf of china , like the US think democracy is the answer to develope a nation, so do the chinese think that their system is the answer.

But still it's not a excuse to interfere with another country ~~

sure, let's start a civil war in a more-than-billion-population nuclear country to bring freedom and democracy there.

No need for a civil war, but i think the current system of squishing all information coming out of tibet and having chinese politicians say everything is ok, is not a healthy system either.

Also who said anything about a democracy? ;> they could go ahead and keep their old system or make a king out of someone . The main point still is to not force something down someone's throat.

China is changing by itself, it's not the same dictatorship it was 30 yeas ago (not that it's the land of freedom either...)

I can only think of democractic china and india with horror. A few billion people shouting out for cars and western payrates sure wont be healthy either ~~

Luckily for them, the Chinese have low threshold on armed forces use inside their borders

The world's biggest conventional army has a low threshold of armed forces inside its borders ?_?

[TheRegisteredOne]

Unlike some of the unstable asian democracies, the PRC has firm control over its millitary, and the PLA enjoy good popularity inside china, frequently engaged in disaster relief etc. There will probably not be a civil war unless the CPC AS WELL AS the PLA fractures and implodes on itself, but there is no indication of that happening. There is very little major anti-government forces inside China, and whatever groups are there are disorganized, forced to work underground, and do not have the support of the majority. Outside china, the protests are not resonating with the Chinese population at all. Call it the result of brain-washing, propaganda, censorship, or whatever you want, although the commies seem to be inept at dealing with the western media, it has generally good PR inside China, and the anti-PRC sentiment in the west is only helping them by fanning extremist nationalism inside the country.

[PicassoCT]

Sorry if but chinese censorship (Surprise!) works both ways - they don´t know what the western Nations think&do, and we don´t know what they think&do. There were some really heavy uprisings from loanworkers in some Chineses Countys. I would bet that just one economic crisis would get china in real trouble with all those, who sacrifice today youth, life and health for a better tomorrow and who will never see it.
Either that or the ChinGov starts a War to cover up the Mess. It is a ancient tradition - if democratic dogs bark at your door, the state financial system is a huge mess and you loose controll - set fire to the gunpowder. Worked twice in Europe...

[KDR_11k]

I can only think of democractic china and india with horror. A few billion people shouting out for cars and western payrates sure wont be healthy either ~~

I don't think that's tied to democracy, it's tied to the economy. As the chinese econ grows the wages will go up and the populace will demand more luxuries.

[HeavyLancer]

I can only think of democractic china and india with horror. A few billion people shouting out for cars and western payrates sure wont be healthy either ~~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Government
I think that India would like to have a word with you. In fact, it's constitution is one of the biggest in the world. And it is a stable democracy with a population to rival China's.
I view India as a shining example of what China COULD have been, namely a stable western-style democracy with a huge population that doesn't deliberately oppress it's people.
Most of it's problems (poverty, malnutrition, etc.) stem from it's massive and dense population, a problem which many Asian countries, particularly China, have as well.

And yeah, if China does manage to get a western-style open free market with no economic restrictions then in a couple of years it will eat up most of our planet's remaining resources. Of course, they will want political freedoms as well by that point...

[Sleksa]

I can only think of democractic china and india with horror. A few billion people shouting out for cars and western payrates sure wont be healthy either ~~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Government
I think that India would like to have a word with you. In fact, it's constitution is one of the biggest in the world. And it is a stable democracy with a population to rival China's.

... I view India as a shining example of what China COULD have been, namely a stable western-style democracy with a huge population that doesn't deliberately oppress it's people.

Sure india's constitution says that its a democracy and it has no set religion and caste system is abolished etc etc all is fine and dandy unicorns 'n rainbows 'n shit.

YET IN REALITY the caste system is still there, and there are millions of people in the lowest castes, living and feeding off shit. In a country that has roughly 70 different languages/dialects you cant establish a "stable western-style democracy" in 50 years.

The point there was not to question india's democracy though , but rather to question what would happen if there would be a sudden political and economical freedom. Would we see a grand scale collapse via soviet union, or would everyone become happy and live in a democratic dreamworld ?_?

And it is a stable democracy with a population to rival China's.

Yeah stable and healthy lil' cute democracy where everyone is happy and healthy ~~~~

Most of it's problems (poverty, malnutrition, etc.) stem from it's massive and dense population, a problem which many Asian countries, particularly China, have as well.

Yes. But holland also has a dense population, and they run around in 8mbit internets playing spring and starcraft and counterstrike, unlike india. ^.^

And yeah, if China does manage to get a western-style open free market with no economic restrictions then in a couple of years it will eat up most of our planet's remaining resources. Of course, they will want political freedoms as well by that point...

China has a mixed market system just like finland.

[Felix the Cat]

Sleksa, India is about as democratic as any other democratic country... the caste system is a cultural thing.

[I2:Isaacment_Day]

i dont know if i could be bothered caring about what one country far from me does to another country far from me


nigga gotta look after number 1

[Teutooni]

I don't see how the Tibet situation differs from USA invading Iraq. In both cases a larger country invades a smaller one claiming them to be terrorists, and supposedly bringing a better political system. I'm pretty sure the majority of chinese think they have as just a cause as USA thought they had.

In any case, I don't agree China should be allowed to occupy Tibet, but with so many undesirable things going on in the world, I really don't give a f***.

[Caydr]

The fact that China somehow is hosting the Olympics just blows my mind.

I understand that all our politicians are their bitches - necessarily - but I never thought that a "respected" institution like the olympic committee would willfully recognize them as a candidate.

China scares the hell out of me. They're probably the most powerful country on earth when you get right down to it, but they have no morals to go along with that power. They make George Bush's reign look like a walk in the park. They're basically immune to any kind of attack because they have nukes and more economic clout of the entire westernized world combined.

[SwiftSpear]

I don't see how the Tibet situation differs from USA invading Iraq. In both cases a larger country invades a smaller one claiming them to be terrorists, and supposedly bringing a better political system. I'm pretty sure the majority of chinese think they have as just a cause as USA thought they had.

In any case, I don't agree China should be allowed to occupy Tibet, but with so many undesirable things going on in the world, I really don't give a f***.

The problem IMO is more that I can't agree with china's actions on an ethical level. Opressing people based on religion, supressing freedoms, imperializing smaller nations (claiming them to be property of china), suppressing culture. It's not so much in my mind the problem that invasion of a smaller people is always wrong, it's the reasons and methods through which it's being utilized here.